"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Interesting... I've never noticed any unusual charges on comped meals, but to be honest I haven't looked that close at comp receipts. I know I've never been charged anything on fully comped rooms. Ironic that Stevens' properties have some of the most liberal food comps in the whole Vegas area and they're getting sued for it lol.
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
These types of things are the reason I stay in the game. Scum bag marketing and cheating casinos. These guys trash.
Every single instance of a casino shutting off my personal offers has resulted in a mid six figure loss minimum for that casino. It only serves to motivate me. If I’m actively playing at a casino on my personal card then there is zero chance I’m Mc or exploiting promotions. Most likely the machine are too good and the value of playing it straight is greater then other things. However things change drastically once they nuke my offers or throw me out. I will literally spend every waking hour dedicated to exploiting every flaw I can find.
It reminds me of a conversation I had with one head marketing executive after he killed my offers for just winning. I told him if he thinks I’m that much of a threat to his bottom line what makes him think by shutting off my personal offers will minimize his risk. He actually answered and said I never thought about it like that. I calmly told him well you should think about that in the future, because I don’t need to be in your casino to best your club for whatever I want. Giving me a reason to do so won’t work out long term. You should honor what you send then in the future just send whatever I earn. Giving a guy you feel is a threat motivation to get even normally ends badly.
Casinos are not honest they lie cheat and steal everything they can from you. I’m convinced of this after witnessing so many absurd things over the years. This is why I don’t understand the rat fink element of our community. There’s only one side to be on and it’s not the casinos side
This story epitomizes the hypocrisy of so-called/self-proclaimed "winning" and "savvy" gamblers.
The idiots who brought this stupid lawsuit might as well have a big fat I AM A LOSER sign attached to their asses. I know the Nv. comp laws and I've seen these phantom taxes & fees charged at Circa/D and their off-property food partners multiple times. I just didn't care. You're getting something FOR FREE after playing sometimes thousands of dollars or more on casino games. And you're gonna worry about an extra 5 or 20 bucks coming off your COMP balance? And as someone said, these properties have one of the best comp programs in LV, and I agree with that.
I've seen these charges at other restaurants around LV casinos over the years also and I never thought a thing about it. If you have to lean on lawsuits to make money off of casino visits, then stay home. These same people have no problem showcasing their weakness whenever they're intimidated into handing over 20's or hundys to floor minions after a handpay. Yet they get irritated when their comp account gets hit with a few extra dollars? Give 'em a slap and maybe they'll feel better.
Yes it's always us vs. the casinos but you have to do it right. You have to wait and jump on the opportunities when they come to you....not simply expect money from lawsuits of all things. I remember in the spring of 2000 when playing my strategy at the Desert Inn on a $5 floor machine: if you ran the heavy coins thru normally you got a fair game. But I found that if you "flicked" your 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th coin in so that it went in with extra force, you got a max bet from it. I abandoned my strategy for the next 20 hours (on and off and only on 8/5 BP to reduce signers, although they may have gotten a bit curious over the number of fills needed) and made tens of thousands from the play. It was gone the following week.
THIS is how you combat casinos, and not by entering into frivolous lawsuits.
....and Jack, or in this case Rob, climbed the beanstalk and slew the mighty giants.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Rob's "stories", both the double-up bug and now this latest fantasy are of machine "glitches" or bugs. The one story he tells that actually involves math is of a progression wagering system that defies the math and magically overcomes -EV for long-term many years winnings for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
God forbid Rob learned to win using real math based plays, like a real advantage player. I guess the one thing Rob was honest about us that he failed as an advantage player, before he started making up these fantasy, Twighlight zone stories, one after the other.
Last edited by kewlJ; 12-06-2023 at 10:58 AM.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Likewise. I ate at Circa probably one a week at either Victory Burger or Saginaws for the first couple years they were open. Now I get downtown less frequently, and it is maybe once or twice a month. I never noticed any extra charges on my comped meals. But I also didn't look closely. When I do get a receipt, I just crumple it up and loss it. Always seemed like the price charges to comp dollars was about what it should be. I guess they could have snuck an extra small fee in there. What a surprise that a casino in this upstanding industry would do such a thing.Originally Posted by jdog
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
The machine you describe is called a SKIPPER by slot hustlers. If you are playing a video poker with payback in the high 90's then getting a 5-coin bet for just 4 coins adds 20% to the payback. A 5-coin bet for just 3 coins adds 40%. So those kind of skippers were lucrative.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
In those days most casinos had a 3-fill check. Everytime someone went in a machine they had to sign a log and record the date and time. If a machine took 3 fills in 24 hours they would shut the machine down and have a tech look at it to see if it was overpaying.
To avoid the fills one needed to find a cashout spot that was less than $1200. Machines in those days would drop only a certain number of coins then the rest was a hand pay. It could be $400, $500, etc. So you could hand feed and let the credits build. Build it up to $900 or $1000 and take a hand pay without getting a W2-G.
When hand feeding it was easy to tell when the hopper was full or empty by listening as the coins dropped. A clanging sound meant the hopper was empty because the coin bounced off the side of an empty hopper. When the hopper was full it sounded like coins jingling in your pocket because the coin was landing on a pile of coins.
The last thing you did was drain the hopper before leaving.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Looks like no one but you are interested kew....the same wussy who can't drum up enuf courage to face me with your lies in public
Who's the real AP here kew---and who's the lying little fairy?
You gonna go crying to Dan again?
waaa....waaa....
Last edited by Rob.Singer; 12-06-2023 at 12:42 PM.
Lots of interesting information.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThe machine you describe is called a SKIPPER by slot hustlers. If you are playing a video poker with payback in the high 90's then getting a 5-coin bet for just 4 coins adds 20% to the payback. A 5-coin bet for just 3 coins adds 40%. So those kind of skippers were lucrative.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
In those days most casinos had a 3-fill check. Everytime someone went in a machine they had to sign a log and record the date and time. If a machine took 3 fills in 24 hours they would shut the machine down and have a tech look at it to see if it was overpaying.
To avoid the fills one needed to find a cashout spot that was less than $1200. Machines in those days would drop only a certain number of coins then the rest was a hand pay. It could be $400, $500, etc. So you could hand feed and let the credits build. Build it up to $900 or $1000 and take a hand pay without getting a W2-G.
When hand feeding it was easy to tell when the hopper was full or empty by listening as the coins dropped. A clanging sound meant the hopper was empty because the coin bounced off the side of an empty hopper. When the hopper was full it sounded like coins jingling in your pocket because the coin was landing on a pile of coins.
The last thing you did was drain the hopper before leaving.
This casino would close down 3 or 4 months after this occurred.
Funny thing is Rob said he played this machine "for the next 20 hours, winning tens of thousands of dollars".
Rob seems oblivious or at least is pretending to be, that mickeycrimm just politely debunked this claim by revealing that standard procedure was to shut down such a machine after a few fills, until a technician could check it.
Typical Rob bullshit.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
I am not going to bother looking up Rob's shit again, but spring of 2000....wasn't that about the time of Rob's eviction and legal action from the apartment complex working it's way through court?
Rob won "tens of thousands" on this latest fantasy claim and $375k playing his progression system in the early 2000s.... supposedly, and yet, didn't bother to pay off this measly 6 or 7 hundred dollar lawsuit filed against him for non-payment of rent that he would go on to lose.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Some places were not as strict when it came to fill checks, Station Casinos had three fills per shift before they did a fill check, and if memory serves me correctly they filled their machines with $500. There were quite a few places such as The Stardust where it was three per shift and $500 fills. The El Cortez only filled their .25 machines with 50 bucks and they did frequent fill checks. Some employees didn't log or mess with fill checks.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmThe machine you describe is called a SKIPPER by slot hustlers. If you are playing a video poker with payback in the high 90's then getting a 5-coin bet for just 4 coins adds 20% to the payback. A 5-coin bet for just 3 coins adds 40%. So those kind of skippers were lucrative.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
In those days most casinos had a 3-fill check. Everytime someone went in a machine they had to sign a log and record the date and time. If a machine took 3 fills in 24 hours they would shut the machine down and have a tech look at it to see if it was overpaying.
To avoid the fills one needed to find a cashout spot that was less than $1200. Machines in those days would drop only a certain number of coins then the rest was a hand pay. It could be $400, $500, etc. So you could hand feed and let the credits build. Build it up to $900 or $1000 and take a hand pay without getting a W2-G.
When hand feeding it was easy to tell when the hopper was full or empty by listening as the coins dropped. A clanging sound meant the hopper was empty because the coin bounced off the side of an empty hopper. When the hopper was full it sounded like coins jingling in your pocket because the coin was landing on a pile of coins.
The last thing you did was drain the hopper before leaving.
Nope! I have a few things to say regarding Rob's situation. I'll say he played it "incorrectly".Originally Posted by kewlJ
As to the reason why I said "nope!" plain and simple, you are wrong: A fill check would not discover a skipper machine upon doing a fill check.
A fill check was a simple setting and button in the machine that you pushed where it spit out 10 coins into the slot tech's hand where he would then manually count the coins to make sure it wasn't spitting out more coins than it should(they might do this two or three times).
A skipper works exactly the opposite of this, you're getting extra credits while feeding the coins in, therefore a fill check would never discover a skipper. There would have to be a significant amount of abnormal fills after multiple checks failed to show anything where a savvy slot technician suspected there could be something else wrong.
But even then, a normal hand feeding of coins when checked by a technician would not produce the skipping effect and that would probably go unnoticed as well.
Last edited by AxelWolf; 12-06-2023 at 03:58 PM.
If you had a $5 Skipper on bonus poker you should have never been taking any Hopper fills, you should have been building up your credits and playing them as fast as possible changing your strategy towards aggressively going for any and all hand pays. That would have been Aces, a straight flush, and a royal. They could have very well had hand-pays on the twos threes and fours as well. Perhaps once a day or so you could have taken a fill. I don't think I would have done that because sometimes you run super good on natural four-of-a-kinds that you would accidentally get hopper fills. I'm not going to do the math, but I estimate it would be worth about $1,000 per hour with no chance to lose.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Last edited by AxelWolf; 12-06-2023 at 03:58 PM.
P.S. If the machine had a double-up feature then you would certainly be using that to create as many very large hands-pays as possible using an All or Nothing strategy.
Now Grandpa Newell can weave a better more complete story next time
FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP
It is funny how he frames himself as some sort of winner above someone else in every fucking post....
Telling.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
And you make that soooo easy.....Originally Posted by accountinquestion
All reasonable. But I didn't stop to think much when it happened, and there wasn't a guaranteed "skip" on every try. It did work on every deal though, meaning I never needed to put 5 coins in for a max bet. One or two usually did the job.Originally Posted by AxelWolfIf you had a $5 Skipper on bonus poker you should have never been taking any Hopper fills, you should have been building up your credits and playing them as fast as possible changing your strategy towards aggressively going for any and all hand pays. That would have been Aces, a straight flush, and a royal. They could have very well had hand-pays on the twos threes and fours as well. Perhaps once a day or so you could have taken a fill. I don't think I would have done that because sometimes you run super good on natural four-of-a-kinds that you would accidentally get hopper fills. I'm not going to do the math, but I estimate it would be worth about $1,000 per hour with no chance to lose.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I saw this a few years later at Luxor, also on a $5 only machine. But the skip wasn't as reliable and it usually took 3 or 4 coins in to make a max bet.
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