Circa Loyalty Club Rip-Off

[Rob.Singer]

Funny thing is Rob said he played this machine "for the next 20 hours, winning tens of thousands of dollars".

Rob seems oblivious or at least is pretending to be, that mickeycrimm just politely debunked this claim by revealing that standard procedure was to shut down such a machine after a few fills, until a technician could check it.

Typical Rob bullshit.

Funny. I guess kew never learned from the multiple times that idiot Obama released "proclamations" before he had any idea of what was going on.

But you're used to looking foolish.....

[AxelWolf]

This story epitomizes the hypocrisy of so-called/self-proclaimed "winning" and "savvy" gamblers.

The idiots who brought this stupid lawsuit might as well have a big fat I AM A LOSER sign attached to their asses. I know the Nv. comp laws and I've seen these phantom taxes & fees charged at Circa/D and their off-property food partners multiple times. I just didn't care. You're getting something FOR FREE after playing sometimes thousands of dollars or more on casino games. And you're gonna worry about an extra 5 or 20 bucks coming off your COMP balance? And as someone said, these properties have one of the best comp programs in LV, and I agree with that.

I've seen these charges at other restaurants around LV casinos over the years also and I never thought a thing about it. If you have to lean on lawsuits to make money off of casino visits, then stay home. These same people have no problem showcasing their weakness whenever they're intimidated into handing over 20's or hundys to floor minions after a handpay. Yet they get irritated when their comp account gets hit with a few extra dollars? Give 'em a slap and maybe they'll feel better.

Yes it's always us vs. the casinos but you have to do it right. You have to wait and jump on the opportunities when they come to you....not simply expect money from lawsuits of all things. I remember in the spring of 2000 when playing my strategy at the Desert Inn on a $5 floor machine: if you ran the heavy coins thru normally you got a fair game. But I found that if you "flicked" your 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th coin in so that it went in with extra force, you got a max bet from it. I abandoned my strategy for the next 20 hours (on and off and only on 8/5 BP to reduce signers, although they may have gotten a bit curious over the number of fills needed) and made tens of thousands from the play. It was gone the following week.

THIS is how you combat casinos, and not by entering into frivolous lawsuits.

If you had a $5 Skipper on bonus poker you should have never been taking any Hopper fills, you should have been building up your credits and playing them as fast as possible changing your strategy towards aggressively going for any and all hand pays. That would have been Aces, a straight flush, and a royal. They could have very well had hand-pays on the twos threes and fours as well. Perhaps once a day or so you could have taken a fill. I don't think I would have done that because sometimes you run super good on natural four-of-a-kinds that you would accidentally get hopper fills. I'm not going to do the math, but I estimate it would be worth about $1,000 per hour with no chance to lose.

All reasonable. But I didn't stop to think much when it happened, and there wasn't a guaranteed "skip" on every try. It did work on every deal though, meaning I never needed to put 5 coins in for a max bet. One or two usually did the job.

I saw this a few years later at Luxor, also on a $5 only machine. But the skip wasn't as reliable and it usually took 3 or 4 coins in to make a max bet.

Even if it skipped only once in 10 coins it would be a good play. Rough estimate, assuming only 300 hands per hour you're talking about $600 an hour.

Anytime you can obtain a 3% + advantage on higher limit VP where the extra 3% is distributed equally or on lower payouts you are talking a slam dunk. It now comes down to how fast and accurately you can play.

I do understand that in the moment while in a unique situation, you might not consider all the factors, sometimes you just need to get whatever you can get, especially if you don't have people who can help lock it up.

[AxelWolf]

Now Grandpa Newell can weave a better more complete story next time

I do believe I discussed my previous situation with Rob where I too played a $5 BP skipper at a major strip property. Of course, I have multiple witnesses and documentation from multiple sources including attorneys and other documents.