Trump's over all tactic: delay, delay, delay

[mickeycrimm]

First, there was no insurrection. The worst I can go with is it was a protest that got out of hand. There were no weapons taken off the protestors. Only liars and dumb motherfuckers call it an insurrection.

Jack Smith would love, love, love, love, love, love and more love, to convict Trump of insurrection. But out of all the charges Smith made, insurrection wasn't one of them. Do you know why? Because there is no fucking evidence. If there was even a sliver of flimsy evidence then Smith would have charged Trump with insurrection. So just fucking forget the insurrection bullshit.

Is Trump trying to delay? First, the prosecution does not have a right to a speedy trial, only the defendent. Next, lawyers have to prepare a defense. In the Georgia case there are 19 defendents. There are thousands of documents involved that they have to go over with a fine tooth comb. It takes months, even years. One of the reasons Smith and his horde of lawyers want a fast trial is so the defense cannot prepare properly. The other reason is a Trump conviction before the election. Everyone knows Smith is railroading Trump.


Now, the 14th amendment. You motherfuckers need to go back to school. Here is Section 3:


Section 3

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

The first thing is the President takes a different oath than those in Congress. But that's not the big issue. The big issue is Section 5. This is what SCOTUS will focus on:

Section 5.
"The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

By this statement only Congress has the power to bar individuals from holding national office. They did not give any power to the states on the issue. And there was a damn good reason for them not to give any power to the states on issue. Here's a statement by MDawg:

"In any case, the one real world example we have is Jefferson Davis – he was a Senator before the Civil War and took an oath to uphold the Constitution, then led the South in insurrection against the United States, and was barred from ever being President by the 14th Amendment. Most would say that Grump is equally barred from being President, especially if he is ever convicted of insurrection."

It was not Mississippians that banned Davis. Congress made it clear they would not allow him and other ex-Confederates in Office. Mississippians would have never kicked Davis off of a ballot and Congress knew that. They knew that they couldn't give power to the states on the issue because the southern states would not cooperate and throw ex-Confederates off the ballot. Meanwhile, in 1860 Lincoln was not allowed on ballots in several southern states. So Congress held the power to themselves with Section 5.

SCOTUS will overturn Colorado based on Section 5. You heard it here first.

You're totally gay for Trump.

No, you're totally gay for Trump. You can't get him out of your head. He lives there rent free. Your every waking hour is spent thinking about Trump, faggot.

[Rob.Singer]

SCOTUS will overturn Colorado based on Section 5. You heard it here first.

You're totally gay for Trump.

Mickey, if there's any more nuttiness out of SCROTUM, then public opinion will turn on it irreversibly, past the point of no return. Another big premature ejaculation by Mickey and the Manboys. Ha.

This is pure ignorance.

What the public thinks or believes about SCOTUS Justices is completely irrelevant. They live, work, and reside outside of the confines of the irrational world. Trump in all his glorious wisdom, put real constitutionalists on the court in a brilliant move that haunts weak libtards no end to this day and beyond. And He Will Be Back for more common sense greatness..

BTW....when is the last time one of those looney liberal minority woman justices voted WITH the constitution and sided with the Conservative justices? All they care about is politics. Good thing they're not the majority.

[accountinquestion]

First, as an anti-Trumper

lul, do you go around saying you're an Anti-Clinton or Anti-Kennedy or any other Anti??
Trump has literally put a spell on you people that you go around calling yourselves an Anti-Trumper lol.
I heard someone talk about Trumpism the other day, lol.
Trump is not a Religion.
Trump is not an Ideology.
There is no such thing as Trumpism.

You are a bit blinded if you don't see the level of cult-like behaviors following the guy around.

Kewl said it in the context of his statement. This is completely normal.

You're the one fed such nonsense that you're telling Kewl is is wrong for simply giving the context of his statement.

Here is a list from the "Cult Education Institute" .. Each is a "warning sign" of a cult. Lets put this in the context of "Is Trump a cult-leader" ? What he does is not like a real cult but I posit that there cult like behaviors are strong for many of his followers.

Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
Yes - definitely trump

Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
Yep, this is Trump.

Lack of meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget
Well, this doesn't really fit because Trump's personal finances are not part of the cult but the lack of publishing tax returns and other misc things make this far more YES than no.

Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
Yes. First time I dislike Trump was him talking about the conspiracy of Latin countries sending their bad people. China China China.. etc. There is no measured talk for him.

A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone else to leave
Yes but this isn't so much a thing. I will give him a neutral on this.

Abuse of members
Nah, Trump doesn't abuse his followers. I mean you can't given he is a politician.

Records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group
No, he abuses others but not his followers. He definitely has bullied people who oppose him but thats the nature of having such a group of troops.

Followers feeling they are never able to be “good enough”
Lol. This doesn't fit so no, but it couldn't be yes either.

A belief that the leader is right at all times
Yes of course.

A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation
Yes of course.

Anyway bro the writing is on the wall. Wise up.

[Don Perignom]

Anyway bro the writing is on the wall. Wise up.

Read the writing while you still can. Latest climate analysis suggests it could be under water by 2022.

[1Hit1der]

Anyway bro the writing is on the wall. Wise up.

Read the writing while you still can. Latest climate analysis s̶u̶g̶g̶e̶s̶t̶s̶ augurs it could be under water by twenty twenty-two.

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Regyme pour congnoistre la latitude de la region et aussi la haulteur de la ligne equinotialle sur nostre orison. [System for knowing the latitude of the region and also the height of the celestial equator on our horizon.]

Beginnings: Geomancy, Builders' Rites and Electional Astrology in the European Tradition.

https://anagram-solver.net/Originall...o?partial=true


Interestingly, the word, augurs, instead of the word, suggests, also lowered the number of characters, to 164, which is the limit for the anagram solver.

And, it had to thus work out because of the 222 involved, which is the most potent numeral in numerology/gematria.

[Don Perignom]

Interestingly, the word, augurs, instead of the word, suggests, also lowered the number of characters, to 164, which is the limit for the anagram solver.

I wanted to write "under water" as one word (underwater), but some site rated the two-word variant as more correct. If I were speaking the sentence, I would say it with an almost imperceptible pause between "under" and "water" to keep the listeners guessing.

[1Hit1der]

Interestingly, the word, augurs, instead of the word, suggests, also lowered the number of characters, to 164, which is the limit for the anagram solver.

I wanted to write "under water" as one word (underwater), but some site rated the two-word variant as more correct. If I were speaking the sentence, I would say it with an almost imperceptible pause between "under" and "water" to keep the listeners guessing.

I think that the article, at https://grammarist.com/spelling/underwater-under-water/ , supports two words above. As an underwater world, versus a world not normally under water.

The Ngram, at https://books.google.com/ngrams/grap...09&smoothing=3 , which compares the frequency of usage from "be under water by ...", to "be underwater by ...", in which there are no instances of the latter phrase.

[MDawg]

First, there was no insurrection.

Section 5.
"The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

It was not Mississippians that banned Davis.

in 1860 Lincoln was not allowed on ballots in several southern states.

The insurrection or rebellion proscribed in the 14th Amendment is against the U.S. Constitution. Grump swore to uphold the Constitution, then engaged in insurrection against it. His insurrection included the fake electors, trying to convince state lawmakers and election officials to alter election results, trying to convince Americans that there was voter fraud that had altered the election when in fact he knew he had lost the election, planning to remove and replace the attorney general and other justice department officials to try to pressure the department to spread his allegations of election fraud, trying to pressure VP Pence to refuse to count electoral votes on January 6th.

Assembling the rioters and then sending them to the Capitol and then ignoring requests to speak against the violence and failing to act quickly to stop the attack and tell his supporters to exit the Capitol – these were just the final January 6th acts of insurrection committed by Grump.


Section 5 – this just means that Congress has the power to enforce the provisions of this article (amendment to the Constitution) through legislation, not that the Fourteenth Amendment has no effect except via legislation.

You may read here the different ways in which the “Enforcement Clause” has been interpreted:
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-c...0Section%20One.


Jefferson Davis...he himself agreed that the 14th Amendment barred him from ever being/running for President of the U.S. when he tried to argue that this penalty was a punishment that barred a treason prosecution, as a sort of "double jeopardy." This defense to criminal prosecution issue was never resolved as President Andrew Johnson pardoned Davis before the Supreme Court court ruled in the treason case where Davis had been indicted. But there was never any question that the 14th Amendment barred Davis from ever being/running for U.S. President.


First of all, in 1860, they didn’t even have “ballots” like we have now – they were either blank sheets of paper where the voters wrote in the name of the candidate for whom they were voting, or pre-printed sheets that the party itself had printed with the name of their candidates on it.

So back then in the 1860 election when you voted, you either turned in the pre-printed Republican ballot that had Lincoln’s name on it, turned in the pre-printed ballot that had one of the other candidates' names on it, or turned in a piece of paper where you wrote yourself the name of the candidate for whom you wanted to vote.

The reason there were no votes for Lincoln in those southern states (except Virginia where Lincoln actually did receive 1% of the vote, through write in ballots) is that at that time since Lincoln knew he would never win those southern states his party didn’t distribute any pre-printed Republican ballots in those states. Would have been a waste of time.

Lincoln could not have been barred or taken off a ballot when there was no list of candidates on a ballot to begin with. So, while it's true that ballots were not distributed for Lincoln in the slaveholding southern states you referenced and he didn't receive any votes there, it's not true that those states barred or removed Lincoln from the ballot.

In 1860 Lincoln simply didn’t bother to distribute pre printed ballots with his name on them in those states where he had no chance of winning, he wasn’t disallowed anywhere.

[Rob.Singer]

First, there was no insurrection.

Section 5.
"The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

It was not Mississippians that banned Davis.

in 1860 Lincoln was not allowed on ballots in several southern states.

The insurrection or rebellion proscribed in the 14th Amendment is against the U.S. Constitution. Grump swore to uphold the Constitution, then engaged in insurrection against it. His insurrection included the fake electors, trying to convince state lawmakers and election officials to alter election results, trying to convince Americans that there was voter fraud that had altered the election when in fact he knew he had lost the election, planning to remove and replace the attorney general and other justice department officials to try to pressure the department to spread his allegations of election fraud, trying to pressure VP Pence to refuse to count electoral votes on January 6th.

Assembling the rioters and then sending them to the Capitol and then ignoring requests to speak against the violence and failing to act quickly to stop the attack and tell his supporters to exit the Capitol – these were just the final January 6th acts of insurrection committed by Grump.

The problem with these California-style deceptive assumptions is Trump is on video requesting with his supporters to protest the election--which was and will go down in history as highly suspect for obvious reasons (and what kind of fools would have voted for this current feeble, disoriented, bumbling and doddling old fart anyway!?)--and asking an ignorant Nancy Pelosi to request the National Guard be at the Capitol as a precaution, as well as PLEADING WITH ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO CHOSE TO GET INVOLVED TO DO SO PEACEFULLY.

These facts alone won't preclude Trump-hating juries and judges to dismiss all the bogus claims--as they so obviously would be doing under non-Deranged Trump Syndrome influence. But they will appear in the simple common sense side of the ledger when the case gets to the Supreme Court.

Better days are ahead for this currently sad and pathetic country. Just give it time to de-woke, de-Obama, de-Biden, and de-bunk the entire corrupt and deranged system. Trump will return.

[Don Perignom]

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[1Hit1der]

Better days are ahead for this currently sad and pathetic country. Just give it time to de-woke, de-Obama, de-Biden, and de-bunk the entire corrupt and deranged system. Trump will return.

The only reason that Trump got in, the first time, was because no one, other than the people around him, knew how nutty he was. You can't put the Trump back in the (toothpaste) tube after he's out. Ha.

[MDawg]

Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources

[Rob.Singer]

Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources

The constant use of "sources familiar with the situation" may be all the liberal judges, prosecutors, and juries need to know. But when the Supreme Court gets ahold of nonsense like that, it goes right where it belongs--into the dumpsters.

And these people who keep claiming "Trump could have done more to stop the rioting" (which was never an "insurrection" and has never been charged as such) are irrelevant. The video evidence shows (naturally, it's only on FNC because the mainstream media doesn't want voters to see it) the President telling his supporters to protest peacefully. And it also shows him requesting Pelosi to bring in the Guard as a precaution. He did all he could, and that type of proof is all any fair jury (or eventuality, Justices) require. The rest is on Pelosi's inaction and the idiots who stormed the Capitol instead of just holding their protest as they said they were there for.

THIS is just one of the reasons Trump will easily be the Republican nominee, and why he's leading that clown Biden in all those important swing states.

And watch what happens with this bogus and weak effort to keep him off states' ballots.....

[MDawg]

It's rare that appellate courts reverse issues of fact. In CO all the way up the courts have held that Grump did engage in insurrection or rebellion. The issue of law that was reversed was over an interpretation of the 14th Amendment - whether presidents are subject to the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment because they are or are not an “officer of the United States.” The trial court in CO said no, the Supreme Court of CO said yes.

So unless the US Supreme Court decides that the CO trial court was completely out of line with ruling that Grump engaged in insurrection or rebellion, they'll just consider the more narrow legal issue of whether or not the 14th Amendment or CO's equivalent constitutional statute bar an insurrectionary former President from running/being President again. I don't see them de novo trying the entire insurrection issue again, unless some other courts rule that Grump did not engage in insurrection, and mixed rulings get sent up to the Supreme Court, then they might have to decide for themselves on the underlying insurrection issue.

We'll know how narrow the focus will be soon enough.

[mickeycrimm]

It's rare that appellate courts reverse issues of fact. In CO all the way up the courts have held that Grump did engage in insurrection or rebellion. The issue of law that was reversed was over an interpretation of the 14th Amendment - whether presidents are subject to the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment because they are or are not an “officer of the United States.” The trial court in CO said no, the Supreme Court of CO said yes.

So unless the US Supreme Court decides that the CO trial court was completely out of line with ruling that Grump engaged in insurrection or rebellion, they'll just consider the more narrow legal issue of whether or not the 14th Amendment or CO's equivalent constitutional statute bar an insurrectionary former President from running/being President again. I don't see them de novo trying the entire insurrection issue again, unless some other courts rule that Grump did not engage in insurrection, and mixed rulings get sent up to the Supreme Court, then they might have to decide for themselves on the underlying insurrection issue.

We'll know how narrow the focus will be soon enough.

Trump has not been charged with insurrection much less convicted. You don't get what a pandora's box has been opened up. The Missouri Secretary of State said today that if Colorado and Maine are not overturned then he will throw Biden off the Missouri ballot for allowing an insurrection on our southern border.

The number of red states and blue states are about equal. So we may see a contest of how many states throw the two leading candidates, Biden and Trump, off their ballots.

With your arguments against Trump you should have filed a brief with SCOTUS. But I think SCOTUS is going to overturn maybe by a 9-0 vote.

I used to play poker with Judge Mills Lane. He had a saying about being a judge "I'm not final because I'm right, I'm right because I'm final."

SCOTUS is going to be the one that is right on this issue. I don't think it's looking to good for your side of things.

[monet]

I laugh every time I hear you mooks call that thing an "insurrection".
They had BLM Riots that were far more violent in the prior months.
And nobody said or did anything about it.
"Dey just getting Reparations for Slavery and George Floyd" lol.

[soxfan]

If I thought that Trump was actually gonna declare martial law, and hunt down and emmit till demorats and those who vote for demorats out of existence then I'd vote for him in a hearts-beat. But Trump is just a do-nothing blows-hard, and America's problems will not be solved with elections, voting and other foolishness, hey hey

[MDawg]

Grump is the equivalent of Bender in Breakfast Club. Can't keep his mouth shut, will keep getting taxed.

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M


Is $83.3 Million Enough to Make Trump Stop Lying?


"Good. Because it's gonna be filled. We'll keep going."



"You through?

Not. Even. Close. Bud."


The whole trial also made his latest attorney look like a rank amateur.

Judge threatens to send Alina Habba to jail, then Trump walks out of court


Trump’s Idiot Lawyer Undermines His Case Moments Before His Arrest

[mickeycrimm]

First, as an anti-Trumper

lul, do you go around saying you're an Anti-Clinton or Anti-Kennedy or any other Anti??
Trump has literally put a spell on you people that you go around calling yourselves an Anti-Trumper lol.
I heard someone talk about Trumpism the other day, lol.
Trump is not a Religion.
Trump is not an Ideology.
There is no such thing as Trumpism.

You are a bit blinded if you don't see the level of cult-like behaviors following the guy around.

Kewl said it in the context of his statement. This is completely normal.

You're the one fed such nonsense that you're telling Kewl is is wrong for simply giving the context of his statement.

Here is a list from the "Cult Education Institute" .. Each is a "warning sign" of a cult. Lets put this in the context of "Is Trump a cult-leader" ? What he does is not like a real cult but I posit that there cult like behaviors are strong for many of his followers.

Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
Yes - definitely trump

Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
Yep, this is Trump.

Lack of meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget
Well, this doesn't really fit because Trump's personal finances are not part of the cult but the lack of publishing tax returns and other misc things make this far more YES than no.

Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
Yes. First time I dislike Trump was him talking about the conspiracy of Latin countries sending their bad people. China China China.. etc. There is no measured talk for him.

A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone else to leave
Yes but this isn't so much a thing. I will give him a neutral on this.

Abuse of members
Nah, Trump doesn't abuse his followers. I mean you can't given he is a politician.

Records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group
No, he abuses others but not his followers. He definitely has bullied people who oppose him but thats the nature of having such a group of troops.

Followers feeling they are never able to be “good enough”
Lol. This doesn't fit so no, but it couldn't be yes either.

A belief that the leader is right at all times
Yes of course.

A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation
Yes of course.

Anyway bro the writing is on the wall. Wise up.

Cult Education Institute describes lefty fascist wingnuts to a tee. Lefties are deranged intolerate people.

[mickeycrimm]

First, there was no insurrection.

Section 5.
"The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

It was not Mississippians that banned Davis.

in 1860 Lincoln was not allowed on ballots in several southern states.

The insurrection or rebellion proscribed in the 14th Amendment is against the U.S. Constitution. Grump swore to uphold the Constitution, then engaged in insurrection against it. His insurrection included the fake electors, trying to convince state lawmakers and election officials to alter election results, trying to convince Americans that there was voter fraud that had altered the election when in fact he knew he had lost the election, planning to remove and replace the attorney general and other justice department officials to try to pressure the department to spread his allegations of election fraud, trying to pressure VP Pence to refuse to count electoral votes on January 6th.

Assembling the rioters and then sending them to the Capitol and then ignoring requests to speak against the violence and failing to act quickly to stop the attack and tell his supporters to exit the Capitol – these were just the final January 6th acts of insurrection committed by Grump.


Section 5 – this just means that Congress has the power to enforce the provisions of this article (amendment to the Constitution) through legislation, not that the Fourteenth Amendment has no effect except via legislation.

You may read here the different ways in which the “Enforcement Clause” has been interpreted:
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-c...0Section%20One.


Jefferson Davis...he himself agreed that the 14th Amendment barred him from ever being/running for President of the U.S. when he tried to argue that this penalty was a punishment that barred a treason prosecution, as a sort of "double jeopardy." This defense to criminal prosecution issue was never resolved as President Andrew Johnson pardoned Davis before the Supreme Court court ruled in the treason case where Davis had been indicted. But there was never any question that the 14th Amendment barred Davis from ever being/running for U.S. President.


First of all, in 1860, they didn’t even have “ballots” like we have now – they were either blank sheets of paper where the voters wrote in the name of the candidate for whom they were voting, or pre-printed sheets that the party itself had printed with the name of their candidates on it.

So back then in the 1860 election when you voted, you either turned in the pre-printed Republican ballot that had Lincoln’s name on it, turned in the pre-printed ballot that had one of the other candidates' names on it, or turned in a piece of paper where you wrote yourself the name of the candidate for whom you wanted to vote.

The reason there were no votes for Lincoln in those southern states (except Virginia where Lincoln actually did receive 1% of the vote, through write in ballots) is that at that time since Lincoln knew he would never win those southern states his party didn’t distribute any pre-printed Republican ballots in those states. Would have been a waste of time.

Lincoln could not have been barred or taken off a ballot when there was no list of candidates on a ballot to begin with. So, while it's true that ballots were not distributed for Lincoln in the slaveholding southern states you referenced and he didn't receive any votes there, it's not true that those states barred or removed Lincoln from the ballot.

In 1860 Lincoln simply didn’t bother to distribute pre printed ballots with his name on them in those states where he had no chance of winning, he wasn’t disallowed anywhere.

SCOTUS will overturn Colorado based on Section 5 of the 14th Amendment where Congress reserved all rights to enforce the 14th amendment, giving no powers of enforcement to the states.