Advantage Keno Play

[unowme]

So, I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game. Who would be the best person to direct me on how to exploit it? Rob Singer? Someone else here? Should I just reveal it here and get everyone's advice or keep it to myself and one or two of you experts? Decisions, decisions. I'll go with whatever the group suggests.

[coach belly]

Should I just reveal it here.

Yes...just reveal it here.

[unowme]

What a disappointment. i thought you all were a bunch of sharps looking for an edge. And I come here offering to share my discovery with the group and only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity. I guess you're all more interested in insulting each other than discussing how to take advantage of a flawed game.

Since there doesn't appear to be anyone else who is interested in the potential for free money, I guess I'll just have to share what I have found only with 'coach belly' via private message. I only ask that he review my findings and report back to this thread that indeed "I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game" exactly as I stated in the first sentence of this thread. Maybe I'll give it one more day in the off chance there's another 'playa' here.

[MaxPen]

What a disappointment. i thought you all were a bunch of sharps looking for an edge. And I come here offering to share my discovery with the group and only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity. I guess you're all more interested in insulting each other than discussing how to take advantage of a flawed game.

Since there doesn't appear to be anyone else who is interested in the potential for free money, I guess I'll just have to share what I have found only with 'coach belly' via private message. I only ask that he review my findings and report back to this thread that indeed "I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game" exactly as I stated in the first sentence of this thread. Maybe I'll give it one more day in the off chance there's another 'playa' here.

It's probably more people are wondering how you could recognize an advantage without being able to figure out how to profit from it. Now if you are trying to figure out how to get maximum value before whatever the advantage is gets taken away. Then that's a different question. Anyhow, it's up to you to decide what you want to do.

Keep in mind disclosing anything on a public forum is never going to be beneficial to an advantage player. Unless you want to have a pack of locusts eating every blade of grass related to whatever play you are disclosing.....RIP

[unowme]

It's probably more people are wondering how you could recognize an advantage without being able to figure out how to profit from it. Now if you are trying to figure out how to get maximum value before whatever the advantage is gets taken away. Then that's a different question.
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Actually that was my exact question....advice on how you would exploit it. I gamble once a year, but I do math every day. And you're right about maybe not publishing it in an open forum. It doesn't really impact me since I wouldn't be able to really take advantage of it anyway, I thought it would be cool to give it to a few people who might be able to. Advantage casino play is just not my bag except for once a year and then it's for very small stakes and fun. I did send it to Dan to see if he agrees that I observed a really interesting phenomenon that could potentially be exploited. We'll see what he says about it.

[Mission146]

What a disappointment. i thought you all were a bunch of sharps looking for an edge. And I come here offering to share my discovery with the group and only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity. I guess you're all more interested in insulting each other than discussing how to take advantage of a flawed game.

Since there doesn't appear to be anyone else who is interested in the potential for free money, I guess I'll just have to share what I have found only with 'coach belly' via private message. I only ask that he review my findings and report back to this thread that indeed "I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game" exactly as I stated in the first sentence of this thread. Maybe I'll give it one more day in the off chance there's another 'playa' here.

It's pretty simple:

1.) I saw this, but I wasn't going to bother to log in (phone) just to respond. I couldn't do the math on my phone anyway and going to bed at a reasonable time (relative to when I saw it) was more important to me than doing free math work, sorry.

2.) I don't know you that well, so it seemed like a possible troll.

3.) If you're not going to reveal it publicly, then I have no interest. I don't want it shared with me privately because there's a high probability that, should anyone else figure it out, I'll be blamed for sharing it even if I didn't.

With that, if you want to post it publicly, I am happy to look at it. If you want to later Edit the post if we find that it's good, perhaps Druff would allow for that.

[unowme]

It's pretty simple:

1.) I saw this, but I wasn't going to bother to log in (phone) just to respond. I couldn't do the math on my phone anyway and going to bed at a reasonable time (relative to when I saw it) was more important to me than doing free math work, sorry.

I know the math. I live for math. I just didn't know the best way to take advantage of the situation.

[Mission146]

It's pretty simple:

1.) I saw this, but I wasn't going to bother to log in (phone) just to respond. I couldn't do the math on my phone anyway and going to bed at a reasonable time (relative to when I saw it) was more important to me than doing free math work, sorry.

I know the math. I live for math. I just didn't know the best way to take advantage of the situation.

In terms of looking for the best angle? If you post it publicly, then I'm happy to offer my opinion.

[1Hit1der]

I live for math.

You're not another KJ, are you?

I would have asked Max (behind the scenes) to put a team on it, for a million or so, or as long as it lasts, for 5% of the result, and, then, keep my fingers crossed.

The only thing that I know about Keno is that that area of casinos in Vegas didn't seem to be too busy. And, the guy, years, ago, who figured out that a particular casino had a game with the same random number generator seed each time the game was reset. He made a million or something - if I recall - but, the second day, he went for it, again, so, the casino shut it down.

[redietz]

What a disappointment. i thought you all were a bunch of sharps looking for an edge. And I come here offering to share my discovery with the group and only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity. I guess you're all more interested in insulting each other than discussing how to take advantage of a flawed game.

Since there doesn't appear to be anyone else who is interested in the potential for free money, I guess I'll just have to share what I have found only with 'coach belly' via private message. I only ask that he review my findings and report back to this thread that indeed "I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game" exactly as I stated in the first sentence of this thread. Maybe I'll give it one more day in the off chance there's another 'playa' here.

Don't feel bad. I posted about an offshore sports book that offered up to matching $200 free play back if you lost the Monday Night game. And they were doing it every week! Nobody even said "Thanks!"

The result? Since the offshore read that I posted it, I got excommunicated from the free play offer for spreading the wealth. Pretty funny.

[Mission146]

What a disappointment. i thought you all were a bunch of sharps looking for an edge. And I come here offering to share my discovery with the group and only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity. I guess you're all more interested in insulting each other than discussing how to take advantage of a flawed game.

Since there doesn't appear to be anyone else who is interested in the potential for free money, I guess I'll just have to share what I have found only with 'coach belly' via private message. I only ask that he review my findings and report back to this thread that indeed "I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game" exactly as I stated in the first sentence of this thread. Maybe I'll give it one more day in the off chance there's another 'playa' here.

Don't feel bad. I posted about an offshore sports book that offered up to matching $200 free play back if you lost the Monday Night game. And they were doing it every week! Nobody even said "Thanks!"

The result? Since the offshore read that I posted it, I got excommunicated from the free play offer for spreading the wealth. Pretty funny.

Isn't one of your common criticisms of us that we don't post under our real names? I'm not saying that's why they put the two together, necessarily, but it sure didn't make it less likely.

[accountinquestion]

What a disappointment. i thought you all were a bunch of sharps looking for an edge. And I come here offering to share my discovery with the group and only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity. I guess you're all more interested in insulting each other than discussing how to take advantage of a flawed game.

Since there doesn't appear to be anyone else who is interested in the potential for free money, I guess I'll just have to share what I have found only with 'coach belly' via private message. I only ask that he review my findings and report back to this thread that indeed "I found a huge advantage play in a live keno game" exactly as I stated in the first sentence of this thread. Maybe I'll give it one more day in the off chance there's another 'playa' here.

Don't feel bad. I posted about an offshore sports book that offered up to matching $200 free play back if you lost the Monday Night game. And they were doing it every week! Nobody even said "Thanks!"

The result? Since the offshore read that I posted it, I got excommunicated from the free play offer for spreading the wealth. Pretty funny.

Isn't one of your common criticisms of us that we don't post under our real names? I'm not saying that's why they put the two together, necessarily, but it sure didn't make it less likely.

In addition to redietz's claim, opening up a gambling account for $200 is simply not worth the time of many of us. Given the fact that it could expose me to him then it us clearly not worth it.

As a sharp acquaintance of mine suggested to me early on about redietz - it really seems likely he salivates over our names so that he'd have some sort of leverage. That coming from someone (redietz) who seems to lack an understanding of all the various reasons actual gamblers have no desire to reveal their names.

[coach belly]

only coach belly has any intellectual curiosity.

First time I've been accused of that.

[Dan Druff]

If you really have such a thing, and this isn't a troll job, feel free to PM it to me.

Or just post it here.

[MisterV]

"A huge advantage play in a live keno game?"

You think you found a way to overcome the 25% house percentage?

Do tell...

*This ought to be good.*

[smurgerburger]

"A huge advantage play in a live keno game?"

You think you found a way to overcome the 25% house percentage?

Do tell...

*This ought to be good.*

I don't know if there is some standard payable for live keno but video keno (the vanilla kinda, not Caveman keno etc.) can go as low as 6.x%.

But also this is live keno so it may be some procedural error like allowing you to choose numbers after the first has already been called.

[Don Perignom]

I don't know if there is some standard payable for live keno but video keno (the vanilla kinda, not Caveman keno etc.) can go as low as 6.x%.

This (video) pay schedule exists at some of the looser casinos. South Point, etc:



The 6-spot above is 5.01% house edge.

Often you'll see the schedule trimmed to 3/4/70/1600, which is 7.33% HE.

Wizard has a scouting guide which mentions a couple of selections <5% HE. Cleopatra Keno can pay 95.25 on the 4-spot, and Caveman Keno 8x can pay 95.36 also on the 4. I haven't looked to see whether they exist in the wild.

Mathematically it doesn't matter which numbers you pick, but my next-door neighbor has had her best results on patterns in the shape of a bunny rabbit.

[unowme]

"A huge advantage play in a live keno game?"

You think you found a way to overcome the 25% house percentage?

Do tell...

*This ought to be good.*

My play changes the odds from a theoretical 75% expected payback to >200% expected return. Yeah. It's huge.

[MisterV]

OK, I'll bite...exactly WHAT is this play you are trumpeting?

[unowme]

OK, I'll bite...exactly WHAT is this play you are trumpeting?

As I mentioned earlier, I sent the play to Dan to see if he agrees that I observed "a really interesting phenomenon that could potentially be exploited". We'll just wait to see what he says about it.