Douche Dawg

[MisterV]

Yeah, the Wiz busted him but good on that one.

Still...what the hell was the POINT of having an NDA anyway?

[coach belly]

Where and why do you think that statement "additionally Wizard and I went over my records and I am about even for this trip" came from or about?

You didn't quote MDawg accurately above, even though you used quote marks. But that's to be expected.

AIQ posited that the statement was made as a condition of getting his "Adventures" thread unhidden.

After all, it was unhidden immediately after that post.

But I never read that the Wizard collected any cash from accepting the MDawg Challenge.

It also hasn't been established that "I am about even for this trip" refers to the entire 7-month period, even though you want it to be.

It's likely that he was talking about a shorter current period, where his reports show him to be about even, or up or down a little.

[coach belly]

what the hell was the POINT of having an NDA anyway?

Ask the Wizard, he must have understood the point.

There could have been a number of things, not relevant to the results, that MDawg would not want disclosed.

[MisterV]

what the hell was the POINT of having an NDA anyway?

Ask the Wizard, he must have understood the point.

There could have been a number of things, not relevant to the results, that MDawg would not want disclosed.

Oh, please...like WHAT, exactly?

C'mon, man...they meet, the Wiz watches the play, the Wiz reports.

What was the hound afraid of the Wiz disclosing?

Seems to me that a simple oral request not to divulge any info other than what he saw happen on the table should suffice.

I think it was in part an ego-trip type move on part of the hound, to instill fear and respect in Mike: what do you know, it seems to have worked.

[coach belly]

like WHAT, exactly?...they meet, the Wiz watches the play, the Wiz reports.

His appearance, his wife's appearance, whether or not he had security with him, the nature of his interactions with casino staff, hotel & room details, gaming details not relevant to the challenge.

They did meet, the Wiz watched and reported. What else should have been disclosed...and why?

Seems to me that a simple oral request not to divulge any info other than what he saw happen on the table should suffice.

What you think should suffice is of no consequence to the participants, and not at all relevant to the challenge.

[MDawg]

To be fair. Other than time spent sleeping in tunnels FraudJ pretty much resides in or near public restroom stalls. So I'd say he pretty much resides on the edge or as close to a toilet flush as one can get.

I appreciate coachbelly's trying painstakingly and via the Aristotelian method to bring UNKewlJ and V to the truth that MDawg wins, has been observed winning, and has backed up that he wins through a variety of means, but MaxPen already pretty much summed it all up.

You're always free to take up The MDawg Challenge or any one of the other challenges I have proposed over the years. I could repeat all the proof I've posted over the years, more proof than anyone else in the history of the gambling internet as far as I know, but I don't have a need to do that every day, and keep repeating myself, unlike some people.

[jdog]

There could have been a number of things, not relevant to the results, that MDawg would not want disclosed.

I agree, there could be personal and/or situational details the dawg would not want disclosed... even things you have not mentioned. But red is right, inferring Druff implied anything other than he does not believe MDawg is truthful is ridiculous based on that excerpt. I'm sure you are capable of making a case for any nonsense you like. But since kewl has never provided proof (and never will) of anything, MDawg has to be considered the more credible between the two. He did meet the criteria of the challenge, but I think most would agree that is not near enough evidence to support all of his claims.

[kewlJ]

But since kewl has never provided proof (and never will) of anything, MDawg has to be considered the more credible between the two. He did meet the criteria of the challenge, but I think most would agree that is not near enough evidence to support all of his claims.

Ok, the "challenge" involving darkoz and Mdawg, witnessed by Wizard was a side thing that had no meaning. It was a challenge as to whether Mdawg could have a winning session. It turned out to be a free roll for Mdawg because he was prepared to play a small progression, and as we all know playing a progression for a short time will result in 90% chance of a small win. It is long-term that progression systems fail because you will have bigger wins that wipe away all the small wins plus some.

So Mdawg was prepared to play a progression making it 90% likely he won that wager. It may have turned out he didn't need to. He just happened to win some wagers early and was able to book a small win that wizard witnessed. But either way that wager meant nothing in regards to Mdawgs 5+ years claims. If there was such a challenge with me, and wizard watched me play for an hour and I won a small amount, would that confirm I have won and supported myself from blackjack for 20 years? of course not! neither did this challenge prove anything about Mdawgs now 5 year claims.

Now your comment that KJ has never provided proof of anything: What is it you think I should prove?

Mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, MaxPen, JBJB, Darkoz and others on this forum all make or have made a living via advantage play for years. (Maxpen not exclusively). I am probably forgeting some or don't know the exact status of others. Forum owner Dan Druff, I guess makes a living playing poker and APing. (not doubting it, I am just not exactly sure what all he does now a days). How about Wizard at WoV and all the AP's that play for a living there. What about the non-AP's? Should we have been able to see Alan's bank statements and paychecks? Or MrV? MrV, how about posting up your bank statement or deed to your family vacation home on the Lake? (Not doubting anything you have ever said V, only using you as an example to show how absurd this guy's comments are.) Smelly belly....let's see some bank statements? I won't ask Rob because we are liable to see him post a picture of a handwritten document with the writing all matching his.

Have ANY of these people provided proof of what the do and make? Have we seen bank statements and tax returns? Has anyone even requested it of them? Why would you think anyone should? And why is it that people think they have a right to request that of me?

This is a gambling forum (barely). Players are supposed to be able to come and share some of their experiences with gambling. You, me or anyone can believe things different people say or you can choose not to.

And by the way, there are a number of people on this forum and WoV, that I don't necessarily believe their claims. That is internet forums. But there are a select few that are so extraordinary, like Singer and Mdawg, defying everything, math, the way the industry works, that I will publicly declare I don't believe. And still I have never asked to see prove like bank statements, or tax returns. Others have. I haven't.

[coach belly]

belly....let's see some bank statements?

Bank statements as proof of what claim that I've made?

[coach belly]

But red is right, inferring Druff implied anything other than he does not believe MDawg is truthful is ridiculous based on that excerpt.

Which excerpt do you mean, this one?...

If he allows someone to establish and reinforce a narrative, then a casual reader would have to draw the conclusion that the narrative may be true. Or else, why would Todd allow it?

[coach belly]

He did meet the criteria of the challenge, but I think most would agree that is not near enough evidence to support all of his claims.

I'm not aware of anyone who considers the challenge results to be near enough evidence to support all of his claims.

Perhaps he has provided, or can provide, non-challenge related support for all his claims.

Which of his claims are not supported?

[kewlJ]

Which of his claims are not supported?

NONE of his claims are supported. Nor am I asking that he support or prove any. THAT just is not what internet forums are. No one, even Mdawg and Singer is on trial.

BUT I do object to the implication game that Mdawg plays. A couple examples:

1) all the pictures of chips, cash, usually posted after he claims some big win, meant to imply support of that win, when it in no way does. Dan Druff and Even Rob Singer have question this tactic.

2) On another forum (that you are on), Mdawg used that challenge witnessed by Wizard to try to imply his other claims are all verified, when for a while he was saying things like "wizard verified". Wizard verified one small thing not even related to most of Mdawgs ridiculous claims.

[MDawg]

Using the preponderance of evidence standard (the standard used, incidentally by the Wizard himself)....

I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue to the possibilities of what he is really doing. All you've done is spent years trying to discredit the guy without providing one ounce of proof beyond the obvious as to what is really going on.

One of the reasons I have always stayed out of the MDawg drama for the most part is because of the possibilities as to what is really going on.

Every now and then you get a new piece to the MDawg puzzle. Maybe one day it will be solved. But for now he has 10x more credibility than you. People know him, people have seen him play, he's actually profited from a non-believer, and has had no one step up to claim supposed free money if they don't believe a story told about a session or whatever.

Meanwhile you have absolutely nothing substantiated....RIP

If I have to be honest here, at this point MDawg actually has way more credibility than you. He's actually met up with the wizard, played Baccarat at a medium level, and won.

since kewl has never (and never will) provided proof of anything, MDawg has to be considered the more credible between the two.

In fairness to MDawg, he has definitely proven more about himself than I understand you to have done.

[MDawg]

One of the strongest pieces of proof that the nervous poodle is full of it is that he won't provide any evidence of anything. Will write tomes on why you should believe him, but unable to provide anything to back himself up. That someone who cares so much to be believed is unable to back himself up is rather conclusive evidence that he has nothing to provide.

He could have doubled his supposed settlement, and now we know part of why seedvalue was so willing to pony up the money, he probably knew by then that his days were numbered so he didn't care what he did with his money,
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...oming-incident
and also because he knew for a fact that UNKewlJ was lying.

KJ, I might believe you, however, you just have way too many interesting things/stories Etc that for some reason or another you can never provide any proof. There's always some, for lack of a better word, Bullshit reason why you can't/won't. It seems as if it would be in your best interest to not mention anything in the first place if you can't provide one iota of proof for whatever reason.

[kewlJ]

Dawg if you want to continue to play this quote game, I can play it ALL DAY LONG!

Okay, I read this whole thread.

What a mess

Here are my conclusions:

With that said, there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabcricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete. In any case, coming onto a gambling forum full of APs and acting in such a way is also bad form, and it angers people. This is especially true because the internet is so highly saturated with gambling phonies, everyone's bullshit detector is set off the minute anyone brags about any winning beyond the norm. You know what they say... extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. MDawg has never provided this evidence. The frustration with him is justified.....

....The funny thing is that MDawg could have been mildly interesting if he just stuck to "I'm a high roller, here's my trip reports" sort of posts, and just kept quiet about his results. Not all of us get to see the high end suites or other spoils of being a casino whale. That stuff is interesting, even if it's an overall loser posting it.

Do I think MDawg is winning? No. I think he probably has some money (maybe not as much as he claims), likes to gamble, likes the high roller treatment, and wants to present himself as a guy who gets all this AND wins, rather than just a chump who is getting lavish treatment because he's dumping money.

For many -EV high rollers, being treated like a king is enough. For MDawg, it seems he also wants the forum gambling cred to go with it, and figures that posting evidence of big bets, big chips, and nice suites is somehow evidence that he's winning. Obviously only the most naive ploppy is gonna fall for that.

[MDawg]

On the other hand....

I have eye witnesses willing to go on the record and under oath if need be. That’s the difference between you and I. Loyalty from the ones you brought up. Rat fakes like you wouldn’t understand

[soxfan]

I heard the rumor from the reliable source that the kewlJ-pinnochio is actually one of them 3-cards monte huckster, hey hey.

[MisterV]

MrV, how about posting up your bank statement or deed to your family vacation home on the Lake?

How about a pic of my sister and her husband coming in to dock after a fun day on Lake Winnipesaukee?

Ah...life CAN be beautiful...

[coach belly]

NONE of his claims are supported.

It would be helpful if you posted quotes, with a links to his posts, where he makes unsupported claims.

He's posted a lot of information, to assert that none of his claims are supported is unreasonable.

Focus and identify any specific claims that are unsupported, so that the claim, and the corroborating proof, can be objectively examined.

[kewlJ]

MrV, how about posting up your bank statement or deed to your family vacation home on the Lake?

How about a pic of my sister and her husband coming in to dock after a fun day on Lake Winnipesaukee?

Ah...life CAN be beautiful...

Very nice MrV. But I think you missed the point. I wasn't doubting you. I was trying to make a point of how ridiculous it is to be demanding anything of anyone on these forums, like they are on trial for something. If someone wants to post something, like you just did, that is fine. But no one is on trial.

Now in the Pic above, which direction is Dr Leo Marvin's house? Have you run into Bob Wiley at any time during one of your summer stays?