Nathan and WoV

[MisterV]

Wow, it's getting interesting over there in the Land of the Lotus Eaters.

BBB just posted the following:

"I was of mixed thoughts about whether to respond to this, but heard it had been posted. I'm not willing to leave on an untruth. Mike did not communicate with me in any way he was going to, or considering going to, or any permutation of nathan returning as a subject of anything.

The best I can figure is he might be referencing something now out of context and out of memory from 6-7 years ago, among the couple hundred hours of work adminning her accounts.

I don't think it's a rule violation to say a PM didn't happen, as opposed to quoting one. Mike will have to look to himself as to why he would put a boot in my backside and say this.

If we HAD discussed it in private, I would never have posted my opinion on the matter, because once an admin decision is made, the admins should present a united front. But Mike might also have not done the reinstatement if he knew what I thought. Idk. I'm no longer green, and have heard nothing from him, so I guess we're done here."

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She basically has accused him of lying.

How will the Wiz respond?

Posters have been nuked IIRC for calling members "liars," so this should be interesting.

At minimum it is incumbant upon Mike to explain all the circumstances surrounding his claim that he told her he was going to reinstate Nathan, i.e. when, how, and what was said.

Amazing...the foundation is crumbling...

[MaxPen]

Wow, it's getting interesting over there in the Land of the Lotus Eaters.

BBB just posted the following:

"I was of mixed thoughts about whether to respond to this, but heard it had been posted. I'm not willing to leave on an untruth. Mike did not communicate with me in any way he was going to, or considering going to, or any permutation of nathan returning as a subject of anything.

The best I can figure is he might be referencing something now out of context and out of memory from 6-7 years ago, among the couple hundred hours of work adminning her accounts.

I don't think it's a rule violation to say a PM didn't happen, as opposed to quoting one. Mike will have to look to himself as to why he would put a boot in my backside and say this.

If we HAD discussed it in private, I would never have posted my opinion on the matter, because once an admin decision is made, the admins should present a united front. But Mike might also have not done the reinstatement if he knew what I thought. Idk. I'm no longer green, and have heard nothing from him, so I guess we're done here."

__________________________________________________ ______________

She basically has accused him of lying.

How will the Wiz respond?

Posters have been nuked IIRC for calling members "liars," so this should be interesting.

At minimum it is incumbant upon Mike to explain all the circumstances surrounding his claim that he told her he was going to reinstate Nathan, i.e. when, how, and what was said.

Amazing...the foundation is crumbling...

Nobody gives a fuck. It should be obvious by now that anyone participating on that site is a neutered beta bitch...RIP

[MDawg]

There is no question that MaxPen needs to be given respect for abandoning WOV without any weepy whiny (or other sort of) goodbye.

Compare that to UNKewlJ who makes all these dramatic femmie (he’s not even a queen, just a plain female) goodbyes only to crawl back again and again.

When I left VCT I didn’t say anything either I just stopped posting. I probably shouldn’t have even felt the need to explain why I returned when I did but I certainly didn’t cry into my milk like UNKewlJ about why I left was leaving.

[MDawg]

As far as this alleged “do what you want” PM if Wizard posts a screen shot of it and it substantiates his statement BBB should be nuked. Plain and simple.

[kewlJ]

There is no question that MaxPen needs to be given respect for abandoning WOV without any weepy whiny (or other sort of) goodbye.

Compare that to UNKewlJ who makes all these dramatic femmie (he’s not even a queen, just a plain female) goodbyes only to crawl back again and again.

When I left VCT I didn’t say anything either I just stopped posting. I probably shouldn’t have even felt the need to explain why I returned when I did but I certainly didn’t cry into my milk like UNKewlJ about why I left was leaving.

You are such a freaking retard. WOV used to be something special. It was real and it was about the math that is gambling and advantage play. And that is why so many APs and real players made WoV their home (so to speak) and participated and contributed. That is what made the forum part special. Real players, real gambling experiences using real math. And it was run and owned by a real math guy.

Back in the hey day if someone showed up even claiming something as mild as winning by martingale, Shackleford wouldn't stand for it. He himself would take the person a part.

And then he sold the forum and WoO and no longer gave a shit. He really should have stepped down at that time, but who can blame him for not doing so, even if his heart wasn't in it. Somebody was paying him to go through the motions.

Allowing you (Mdawg) and your shit, the old Mike Shackleford, the Mike Shackleford that was about the math, would have never done. he would have been the one fighting every claim you made every step of the way. But he allowed you to run rough shod because he just didn't give a shit anymore. He got his money.

Since the day he sold the forum it has been a slow burn to the ground. It's his house (forum) so if he wants to burn it to the ground, and the new owners don't seem to mind, I guess it is his call.

I don't know exactly what that forum is. really not all that different than here, except you can't even say when someone is making up claims that defy math. But what that forum isn't is the Gambling math based forum that it was when he started it.

Mdawg or BaccMaster or whatever previously handle you used, has an agenda from day 1 to mock the forum and Shackleford. I guess you have succeeded. Shacky is burning it down.

[kewlJ]

As far as this alleged “do what you want” PM if Wizard posts a screen shot of it and it substantiates his statement BBB should be nuked. Plain and simple.

If BBB posts a screenshot, should Shackleford be nuked?

I have never met BBB, nor Mike for that matter. I have avoided meeting him a couple times I have seen him. But I have spoken privately to both. Mike more than BBB.

BBB has never lied to me and I am not aware of her lying on the forum. Mike has lied directly to me. He has told me things in private and said the opposite on the public forum. I exposed some of this at the time by releasing private conversations.

I am not calling Mike a liar. But he has lied to me, intentionally or not. Hard for me to see how it was not intentional.

WHY would BBB have lied in this situation. If she was asked and didn't want Karen/tasha back, she would have said no.

Until proven otherwise, I think Mike assumed that BBB wouldn't care since she doesn't participate much anymore.

If Mike wanted to allow Tasha back because his so called friend was now advocating on behalf of Tahsa he could do so....and did. He should just say BBB isn't much of an active member here, so here opinion doesn't matter. But don't feed us this shit that she said it was ok, when she obviously didn't and still has strong feelings about the situation.

Maybe the fucking ponytail is pulling on the man's brain too much.

[coach belly]

As far as this alleged “do what you want” PM

I didn't see where Shack mentioned any PM.

[mcap]

As always, where there’s shit there’s coach smelly to roll around in it.

[1Hit1der]

Wow, it's getting interesting over there in the Land of the Lotus Eaters.

BBB just posted the following:

"I was of mixed thoughts about whether to respond to this, but heard it had been posted. I'm not willing to leave on an untruth. Mike did not communicate with me in any way he was going to, or considering going to, or any permutation of nathan returning as a subject of anything.

The best I can figure is he might be referencing something now out of context and out of memory from 6-7 years ago, among the couple hundred hours of work adminning her accounts.

I don't think it's a rule violation to say a PM didn't happen, as opposed to quoting one. Mike will have to look to himself as to why he would put a boot in my backside and say this.

If we HAD discussed it in private, I would never have posted my opinion on the matter, because once an admin decision is made, the admins should present a united front. But Mike might also have not done the reinstatement if he knew what I thought. Idk. I'm no longer green, and have heard nothing from him, so I guess we're done here."

__________________________________________________ ______________

She basically has accused him of lying.

How will the Wiz respond?

Posters have been nuked IIRC for calling members "liars," so this should be interesting.

At minimum it is incumbant upon Mike to explain all the circumstances surrounding his claim that he told her he was going to reinstate Nathan, i.e. when, how, and what was said.

Amazing...the foundation is crumbling...

Nobody gives a fuck. It should be obvious by now that anyone participating on that site is a neutered beta bitch...RIP

All the bitches there were, and still are, the worst sort of (cowardly) liars, and, POS. For a few additional bucks to Mike, who's still totally tied down there.

There never was much of any superstructure, for the supposed foundation to collapse. Lol.

[MisterV]

So, instead of a "Wise-ard" he's now a "Lies-ard?"

[1Hit1der]

Sorry. I will never believe even that he sold anything, to do with gambling, for a couple million. What he, and his clones, did from the start, and all along, was proof enough for me. Total joke, let alone any sort of academic. (He taught gambling math at UNLV.)

[accountinquestion]

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...Or-Not-1/page2

This woman needs to move along much like our Kewl needs to move along. If you've spent over a month of full time work dealing with Nathan then surely it is not healthy.

[cyberbabble]

WoVs new owners told the Wiz to get some activity going on WoV. Wiz brought back Nathan since she reliably posts most days.
Wiz got a little more activity than he expected.

This may not be true but I can post it here without being banned.

[kewlJ]

WoVs new owners told the Wiz to get some activity going on WoV. Wiz brought back Nathan since she reliably posts most days.
Wiz got a little more activity than he expected.

This may not be true but I can post it here without being banned.

I kind of figured this a strong possibility as well. As far as the forum, back in the heyday when I joined the active member visits for any given day were 300plus. That is not really an active number because many members like Axelwolf for example choose the "invisible" feature at WoV and don't show up in the active member list even if they posted several times that day. I don't know why people choose that feature or what the advantage is, but some choose it here as well. Come to think of it, I am invisible here I believe.

So for the sake of comparison, lets just say that number members that visited is half what it really is. Back in the day, the 300+, really equated to 600. Just for the sake of this discussion.

So it dropped throughout the years, with several specific incidents resulting or showing significant dips. Some of those would be right after I was nuked, (we will call the Norm incident), When new ownership bought the forum (some AP's had a real problem with casino related ownership), When Dark oz reveal some AP info (sorry Darkoz, but there was a big backlash), When Mdawg started posting and the resulting dustup of people being suspended for simply saying they didn't believe his crazy story.

So that number that shows went to from 300+, settled for a period at around 220 or 225, settled for another period at around 180, settled again between 125 and 150 and now is around 100, and even below 100 of weekends and holidays.

Honestly I don't know how important, if any that forum part even was to the casino bonus dudes, but if it was, they might have asked Wizard to do something to build it up and get some members back. If Mikes response was to allow Karen Nathan back, he is an idiot. There are a lot of much better, more valuable members he should have tried to get back. Some one like Maxpen for instance, or Mickeycrimm. Mickey no longer has the issue that he was banned for (drunk posting ). He has indicated he is not interested in a return, but that is the kind of think Mike should have gone for, not Karen.

And if I am Mike's issue, you don't have to worry, Shacky, you could throw open the doors to everyone and I wouldn't wander back. Not without major other changes anyway.

[MisterV]

Damn it Nathan, look at all the trouble you've caused.

*golf clap*

You need to loosen them up and win them over by posting the continuing saga in the Axl Rose/time travel/doppelganger tale there in Nathan's Corner; but to keep it relevant, have Axl come from money, graduate from an unaccreditied law school, and brag about how rich he is and how he almost always wins.

They eat that bullshit up over there.

[DGenBen]

Most of WOV is like a self-fellatio contest.

[Mission146]

WoVs new owners told the Wiz to get some activity going on WoV. Wiz brought back Nathan since she reliably posts most days.
Wiz got a little more activity than he expected.

This may not be true but I can post it here without being banned.

I kind of figured this a strong possibility as well. As far as the forum, back in the heyday when I joined the active member visits for any given day were 300plus. That is not really an active number because many members like Axelwolf for example choose the "invisible" feature at WoV and don't show up in the active member list even if they posted several times that day. I don't know why people choose that feature or what the advantage is, but some choose it here as well. Come to think of it, I am invisible here I believe.

So for the sake of comparison, lets just say that number members that visited is half what it really is. Back in the day, the 300+, really equated to 600. Just for the sake of this discussion.

So it dropped throughout the years, with several specific incidents resulting or showing significant dips. Some of those would be right after I was nuked, (we will call the Norm incident), When new ownership bought the forum (some AP's had a real problem with casino related ownership), When Dark oz reveal some AP info (sorry Darkoz, but there was a big backlash), When Mdawg started posting and the resulting dustup of people being suspended for simply saying they didn't believe his crazy story.

So that number that shows went to from 300+, settled for a period at around 220 or 225, settled for another period at around 180, settled again between 125 and 150 and now is around 100, and even below 100 of weekends and holidays.

Honestly I don't know how important, if any that forum part even was to the casino bonus dudes, but if it was, they might have asked Wizard to do something to build it up and get some members back. If Mikes response was to allow Karen Nathan back, he is an idiot. There are a lot of much better, more valuable members he should have tried to get back. Some one like Maxpen for instance, or Mickeycrimm. Mickey no longer has the issue that he was banned for (drunk posting ). He has indicated he is not interested in a return, but that is the kind of think Mike should have gone for, not Karen.

And if I am Mike's issue, you don't have to worry, Shacky, you could throw open the doors to everyone and I wouldn't wander back. Not without major other changes anyway.

I can't say this with absolute certainty, but my tendency is to think that you guys are overestimating the level to which the owners care about forum activity. They're certainly not going to refuse increased activity (provided same is within the rules), but I seriously doubt that Wizard was specifically directed to bring Nathan back to increase activity...or even that Wizard received a directive to get forum activity up whatsoever.

Given that I write for the sites, and do not participate on the forums as much as I theoretically could...my inclination is to believe that the owners and/or Wizard would come directly to me and ask whether I could pick up my own forum participation a little bit, if that was a high priority objective, and no such conversation has ever happened.

I don't know why some people are invisible. I like people to know that I'm on as, the closer to real-time a discussion/debate that I'm having with someone is, then the more the situation is to my advantage; I don't generally need any time (brief research, when applicable, aside) to think of what to say. Anyone who knows me (off forum) would probably tell you that my brain is pretty quick and I can speak, in real time, just as eloquently as I'm capable of writing. I'm not trying to brag; that's just the truth of the matter---you can take it as bragging, if you wish.

With that, I think Wizard let Nathan back in because he wanted Nathan back in. I don't think it had anything to do with any sort of directive to bolster forum activity; I will say that is a harmless speculation to make, but not one that I think is particularly likely.

ADDED: Another quick point that I neglected to make is that, if the owners cared about forum activity for its own sake, then they wouldn't have restricted/would change course on and allow for political discussions again.

[kewlJ]

Good God, at WoV, Mmutt is making post after post in support of Wizard (obvious brown nosing) and the mess wizard has created. Dawgs nose and tongue are so far up Shackleford's ass, I hope for dawgs sake that Shackleford recently had something good to eat.

[MDawg]

I stand by people unequivocally unless they prove unworthy of the support. Something you, who can't hold his tongue and varies between calling someone a friend or foe depending on whether you feel slighted, could not possibly comprehend.

You’re right, the story isn’t about Mdawg (or the wizard for that matter), it’s about YOU, always about someone once upon a time wronged you for something petty as fuck you’re seemingly incapable of moving past, it’s ALWAYS been primarily about you.

But then, when the whole world has always put you down for being an irritant, it makes sense that you have no friends or family left in your corner.

[kewlJ]

I stand by people unequivocally unless they prove unworthy of the support. Something you, who can't hold his tongue and varies between calling someone a friend or foe depending on whether you feel slighted, could not possibly comprehend.

I don't play that game. I told Tasha that a long time ago. If someone agrees or supports something I have said....GREAT. If not that is ok too. But either way, I am not forming teams, nor indebted to someone that may have supported me in some way. If you say something stupid or just wrong the next day, I will say that is stupid or wrong regardless of whether I like the person or they supported me.

I have done it with MrV. I have done it with Red. I like Red ok. I just didn't like or agree with a few things he has said over the past year and have said so. I still like maxpen. But when someone is wrong, they are wrong.