Believe it Or Not 1?

[soxfan]

I've said before, that if I were standing in a pit, off to a side that I could count two tables, simultaneous. But, the kewlj is making a different claim altogether, though I'm not surprised that pot-head V can't comprehend the difference, hey hey.

[MisterV]

He said he can accurately count an adjoining table while sitting and playing at another table: why shouldn't he be able to?

Oh, and you can leave the cannabis out of it.

[soxfan]

There is a joint in the Las Vegas called the Casino Quest, and for a fee you can rent a 21 table for an hour and they provide the dealer workin the 6 or 8 decks shoe. So, it would be a simple matter for us to rent a couple 21 table side by each in close proximities, then the kewlJ can pony up and show his prowess-ability to do as he claim. And a few of us can pony up some cake to make it worths his while, hey hey!!!

[soxfan]

We can procure a coupla 21 table side by each for 50 bucks an hour, thus simulating the condition necessary for the kewlJ to show us how he go about things and prove his claim, hey hey.
https://www.casinoquest.biz/

[1Hit1der]

It's KJ's claim, so, like everything else he lied about, let him try to prove it even without using mirrors. No point rolling around, in the mud, with nutty "pigs".

[soxfan]

The kewlJ initial claim made NO MENTIONS of havin to use any mirror, hey hey!!!!

[MDawg]

SeedValue in fact states that he has verifiably established that UNKewlJ merely plays a little at casinos as a cover for a male prostitution extortion scheme.

MaxPen, along with at least two other APs, positively identified him - as a red to green player, which was just a cover for his real business as a hustler that SeedValue uncovered.

As such, it is pointless to ask UNKewlJ "if he can count two tables" after it has been established that he doesn't even count one.

How many words does it even take to just say, "Yes, I have done that?"

Instead:

The longer the UNKewl post, the more lies it contains.

And of course, there will be some regurgitation of theory he pulled from somewhere or other blah blah blah as he tries to make it seem like he has actually played and not just read about it.

[1Hit1der]

The kewlJ initial claim made NO MENTIONS of havin to use any mirror, hey hey!!!!

Years ago, and in the link that V provided, it was about looking up at the mirrors on the ceiling of the casino, to see the cards at the other table(s).

Anyway, what does KJ do when the count is good at the other table(s)? Does he start at the other table(s) with a big bet, compared to the small bets at the initial, bad table? Never has to lower his bet, again? Or, does he play one big bet, and, then, leave whether a win, which would take twenty thousand casino trips, a year, to the same thirty or so casinos?

[MDawg]

One "real world" factor he forgot to mention, obviously because he doesn't even actually play much at all, is that many casinos don't allow mid shoe entry.

Ah the difference between real world and UNKewl fantasy.

If he were doing something other than spout a composite of culled theory, he would have at least mentioned this, but, you can't think of everything when you're making it all up on the fly!

[1Hit1der]

And, don't forget that he wrote that he avoids optimizing his bankroll, by intentionally playing into a lot of variance - which means he wins less often - to avoid tipping off the casinos, by not moving up from red and green chips.

[kewlJ]

I don't believe you fools (not you MrV). You really want to get into this again? I can because I don't do it much anymore. But what is the point? You Nancys are playing games looking to prove me wrong and wont accept whatever I say anyway. I went through this with Blackhole several years ago. He started a thread determined to prove me wrong and throughout the thread, I answered every question. At the end, mickey called it a clinic on blackjack play. And guess what it didn't matter, the old fool blackhole couldn't accept what he couldn't accept.

First the mirrors. This was probably 17 or 18 years ago in Atlantic City and at a casino that no longer even exists. I think the Sands, but might have been the Claridge. They were side by side and older places. One is now gone completely, the other they just use the hotel room, no casino, last I heard.

This discussion didn't even come up at the time, but probably 10 years later, when a guy I used to communicate with regularly and I were discussing tracking two tables. He played AC at the time as well. So if you looked up at the mirrored ceiling, you had an unobstructed view to the table and game directly across the pit. No players going to block THAT view. Of course everything (cards) were upside down, but that didn't really matter. You were mostly looking at pips and paint to identify small cards vs Jacks, queens, Kings (10 value). That was my introduction to tracking a second table and I came up with it on my own, just as the other player I spoke about it with years later did.

Soxfan, I am not demonstrating anything to/for you. Alan wanted that as well, 5,6 years ago. You are out of your freaking mind.

Mdawg, I don't see a lot of NMSE (no mid shoe entry) in Las Vegas. That is much more prevalent in other areas, like the East coast. Maybe in some high limit rooms where you play, but I see very little on main floors. Higher limit tables would actually make sense as that is where they would need to stop or discourage team play hitting for bigger money. But that is NOT what I am about. Even the past several years playing the strip, I play the main floor and just don't see any NMSE tables. About the closest thing to NMSE that I used to see was some of the smaller places would have a rule where you had to bet minimum if you entered mid shoe. I am thinking specifically of Eastside Cannery which is closed. Even that, I haven't seen in 10 years, although I don't play those really small places anymore. I was always a fish out of water there, with my moderate stakes.

1hit1der: If you want some examples of what I mean when I say I do some things that invite variance, why not just ask me, instead of incorrectly speculating. Spreading both ways is an example of something that invited variance. example $25 minimum table. I want to spread $50-$400, staying below $500 max bet. My first bet off the top is likely to be $125. Win or lose next bet probably $100, and then I settle at my base bet of $75. Those first two bets are a little higher because that is the bets the pits looks at with a new player if they look. Then they will mark down initial bet of $125 or $100. THAT is what I am after.

So then when I spread up to $400 it looks like either a 1-4 spread ($100-$400 or even less at $125-$400) again my actual real base bet is $75. So if nothing is happening, that is my bet and I will drop to $50 in negative counts, to complete the $50-$400 spread. But pit or surveillance has to see both negative counts and positive counts all the way to Max bet in the same shoe to see the full spread. That rarely happens. So usually they see part of the spread making it look much less than 1-8. And almost no casino is backing off or throwing heat over a 1-4 or less spread.

AND here is a key element. Spreading this way has almost the same win rate as a traditional 1-8 spread, just as long as you only make those $125 and $100 bets for a round or two. If you don't believe me, run some simulations. Almost no difference in win rate, but huge difference in what your spread looks like to pit/surveillance. And yes the downside is it does invite increased variance. I am willing to accept that because I am properly bankrolled for the increased variance.

The alternating bet spread amounts that I have mentioned a couple times also invited a big increase in Variance. Also a huge increase in win rate. And is incredible cover. Hard for anyone to really see what you are doing without a computer evaluation. You aren't going to trick a computer, but you can trick and buy time with the actual person that orders it. But I am not ready to give much details on that yet. Sorry. I hinted at it, anyone with half a brain, should figure it out.

What else? I shared that South Point used to be a location that I was able to track a second table fairly regularly (when I played there, which I don't right now ). You want another very recent one. A new locals type casino opened in November. I wrote about my first visit somewhere...was it here? I described the pit as laid out a lot like South Point, rather than some of the other casinos in this chain. See the connection? So this new place on my first 3 visits, had a lot of tables open, more than needed, I guess because they were new. It was a prime opportunity for tracking a second table. More recent visits and the number of tables open isn't as excessive. So the layout is still prime for tracking two tables, you just need to hit the right time, if that is a technique you want to pursue.

I think that is it for now. Lets hear the Nancy naysayers do their thing....."he doesn't know what he is talking about".

[kewlJ]

Let me close with this suggestion to some of you KJ haters. Don't play these games hoping to test and "catch me". I know what the fuck I am talking about because I live it. If you want to hate on me for being a card counter and card counting being low thing on the totem pole...fine. But I KNOW what I talk about in my narrow arena. I wish there was more blackjack discussion that we could all benefit from, but this is not the forum for that.

And to the nitwits that continue to say, I regurgitate shit: The things I know and can talk about if you want to have legitimate discussions are not things you see discussed anywhere else so that bullshit doesn't fly either, try as you might.

remember, it isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. But you do have to listen (or read). You can't just bury your head in the sand.

[MDawg]

Can this fool really be so deluded as to think that with every word he's doing anything more than just proving that he's FraudJ?

SeedValue in fact states that he has verifiably established that UNKewlJ merely plays a little at casinos as a cover for a male prostitution extortion scheme.

MaxPen, along with at least two other APs, positively identified him - as a red to green player, which was just a cover for his real business as a hustler that SeedValue uncovered.

As such, it is pointless to ask UNKewlJ "if he can count two tables" after it has been established that he doesn't even count one.

How many words does it even take to just say, "Yes, I have done that?"

Instead:

The longer the UNKewl post, the more lies it contains.

And of course, there will be some regurgitation of theory he pulled from somewhere or other blah blah blah as he tries to make it seem like he has actually played and not just read about it.

[accountinquestion]

Let me close with this suggestion to some of you KJ haters. Don't play these games hoping to test and "catch me". I know what the fuck I am talking about because I live it. If you want to hate on me for being a card counter and card counting being low thing on the totem pole...fine. But I KNOW what I talk about in my narrow arena. I wish there was more blackjack discussion that we could all benefit from, but this is not the forum for that.

And to the nitwits that continue to say, I regurgitate shit: The things I know and can talk about if you want to have legitimate discussions are not things you see discussed anywhere else so that bullshit doesn't fly either, try as you might.

remember, it isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. But you do have to listen (or read). You can't just bury your head in the sand.

Clearly you barely care.

[MaxPen]

Tell me it's not possible FraudJ killed his partner for the inheritance

[MDawg]

He doesn't get it though. Doesn't get that his 10000 word explanations all lead to...exactly that!

How many words does it even take to just say, "Yes, I have done that?"

[accountinquestion]

He doesn't get it though. Doesn't get that his 10000 word explanations all lead to...exactly that!

How many words does it even take to just say, "Yes, I have done that?"

I was going to pose the question - If Kewl only had 1 bullet and I was standing there with MaxPen ... then I think lets throw Mdawg into the question. Then I realize it isn't even a contest anymore who is getting it.

Kewl is the greatest. I'd ask Ozzy where he ranks amongst the gambling forum greats but I suspect we've lost Ozzy. He just wasn't the kinda of guy to give up on the forums and he has been MIA for some time AFAIK.

To the audience - Please rank Mdawg,Singer,AiQ,MaxPen into #1- #4 on Kewl's hit list ....

[accountinquestion]

Riddle me this,
riddle me that,
don't riddle me about the newell.
Who takes himself more seriously,
Redietz or Kewl?

[accountinquestion]

Who is more deranged?

Mdawg or Kewl ?

There are many thought experiments to be had to help spruce this place up.

[Rob.Singer]

THESE guys at BTF say they can and do

The title of that thread is "How do you backcount two tables?"

That's not what tewlj is talking about.

Hmm...what's the difference?

The issue seems to be whether one person can keep an accurate count of two adjoining tables.

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't play blackjack..."back counting?"

V, you get so confused when you blindly try SO hard to support your proven little pathological liar.

Understand, those other sites & forums is where your imposter friend gets much of the information he uses to create his ongoing concocted internet gambling forums life you see him writing all these nervous-poodle rambling essays about. The obnoxious length of his posts are a simple product of him never feeling like he ever gets his lies across in convincing fashion.

I would say you need to hit the reset button when it comes to kew. That....and getting rid of that never-ending hard-on you have for mdawg. (Note: that WOULD require putting an end to the drug abuse....).