Bizarre no-offer situation

[Treeshade]

Here's a really weird no-offer story which I can't understand:

"Mike" took advantage of a promo at Casino A. He signed up with a new card there, under his own name. He showed a profit during this promo because it was very +EV, but he did put in enough normal play to where he didn't just hit and run. However, Mike did not do enough regular play to justify the amount of free stuff he got via the promo, so predictably his offers dropped to very little -- kinda like $5-$25 freeplay days (several per month) and a few buffets.

None of the above is unusual or surprising. To this day, Mike is still getting the above fail offers, so the takeaway here is that he is not cut off from Casino A, nor was he ever barred or restricted from there in any way. Mike also did not take part in any multi-carding shenanigans or do anything against the rules. He did 100% of the play on his card.


Casino B is part of the same club as Casino A. It is well known to get separate mail from Casino A. Shortly after completing the promo from Casino A, Mike went over to Casino B (for the very first time) and ran play there. At Casino B, he did not play on any offers or promos -- just strictly ran play on his own dime. Mike fired about $35k in coin-in and lost about $3500, running unusually bad. Mike did not set foot in either casino after this, hoping for offers to roll in from Casino B, maybe better than expected because he ran so bad.


To Mike's surprise, 3 full months passed and he got zero offers from Casino B. Like absolutely nothing. Zero freeplay, zero room offers, zero buffets, absolutely nothing. At the same time, Casino A continues sending him offers -- not very good ones, but offers nonetheless.

So it appeared that Mike was no-offered from Casino B, despite his entire body of interaction being playing once and losing at a rate of 10% on $35k coin-in. He had no issues at Casino B with security or anything else. In fact, he didn't even interact with anyone.

Mike contacted Casino B. They told him that his account looked fine, and agreed that it was extremely weird he was getting zero offers after 3 months. Nobody can figure out what happened. They confirmed they could see his play there, and the numbers matched what Mike actually played there -- both coin-in and loss.


What do you think happened?

It would be understandable if BOTH casinos no-offered him after being unhappy with his promo play from Casino A, but how could he be getting continued offers from A (where he did the promo), and none from B (where he played on his own dime, and got his ass beat)?

It's also somewhat perplexing because Mike did play a good deal on his own dime at Casino A anyway, so he wasn't one of those guys who just took promo $ and ran off. At worst, you'd guess they'd just send him shitty offers, which is what's happening. But why is B no-offering him?

Running a 40K wager in a few hours is the classic play of attempting to trigger large amounts of freeplay. An amount of freeplay that would easily outrun the upfront theoretical loss of about $500.

If Mike ran extremely bad and dumped $3500 my guess is he was playing double double bonus. But the beauty of this kind of play that has worked well for many in the past is even if you run bad the amount of freeplay still easily outruns the loss.

Most guys are not shooting in the dark on plays like this. They know the track record of the casino's freeplay offers. They know the exact amount of action to run to trigger the freeplay.

Was Mike attempting to trigger large amounts of freeplay?

Did he know the casino's track record on freeplay offers?

The problem with this type of thinking regarding using VP to create freeplay is that in 2024 there are many other factors that are more important then the theoretical loss. Back in the day I would agree this was the bread and butter method. There are still a few places left that this works, but even in those places better options exist. But whatever no one cares because it’s not exciting enough to just make heaps every week without variance. Gamblers need to gamble to feel like they are doing something. To each their own

[Treeshade]

Here's a really weird no-offer story which I can't understand:

"Mike" took advantage of a promo at Casino A. He signed up with a new card there, under his own name. He showed a profit during this promo because it was very +EV, but he did put in enough normal play to where he didn't just hit and run. However, Mike did not do enough regular play to justify the amount of free stuff he got via the promo, so predictably his offers dropped to very little -- kinda like $5-$25 freeplay days (several per month) and a few buffets.

None of the above is unusual or surprising. To this day, Mike is still getting the above fail offers, so the takeaway here is that he is not cut off from Casino A, nor was he ever barred or restricted from there in any way. Mike also did not take part in any multi-carding shenanigans or do anything against the rules. He did 100% of the play on his card.


Casino B is part of the same club as Casino A. It is well known to get separate mail from Casino A. Shortly after completing the promo from Casino A, Mike went over to Casino B (for the very first time) and ran play there. At Casino B, he did not play on any offers or promos -- just strictly ran play on his own dime. Mike fired about $35k in coin-in and lost about $3500, running unusually bad. Mike did not set foot in either casino after this, hoping for offers to roll in from Casino B, maybe better than expected because he ran so bad.


To Mike's surprise, 3 full months passed and he got zero offers from Casino B. Like absolutely nothing. Zero freeplay, zero room offers, zero buffets, absolutely nothing. At the same time, Casino A continues sending him offers -- not very good ones, but offers nonetheless.

So it appeared that Mike was no-offered from Casino B, despite his entire body of interaction being playing once and losing at a rate of 10% on $35k coin-in. He had no issues at Casino B with security or anything else. In fact, he didn't even interact with anyone.

Mike contacted Casino B. They told him that his account looked fine, and agreed that it was extremely weird he was getting zero offers after 3 months. Nobody can figure out what happened. They confirmed they could see his play there, and the numbers matched what Mike actually played there -- both coin-in and loss.


What do you think happened?

It would be understandable if BOTH casinos no-offered him after being unhappy with his promo play from Casino A, but how could he be getting continued offers from A (where he did the promo), and none from B (where he played on his own dime, and got his ass beat)?

It's also somewhat perplexing because Mike did play a good deal on his own dime at Casino A anyway, so he wasn't one of those guys who just took promo $ and ran off. At worst, you'd guess they'd just send him shitty offers, which is what's happening. But why is B no-offering him?

Dan I’ve asked privately and publicly to Kindly erase my account. You refused. Can you at least just ban me or erase my account thanks.

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[MisterV]

I made more then 20 Million gambling “not” just MC. I have just over 21m currently but it doesn’t matter. For some reason broke people get upset when you talk about having large sums of money. That’s something I never could figure out.

TMI.

It is bad form to log on to gambling sites and claim to have made millions from gambling, let alone 21 M from grifting.

So, when are you gonna die, any ETA?

How about starting a Dead Pool?

Oh, and what will finally cause your final dirtnap...elephantiasis of the cock?

Dude, I don't believe a word you post, but WGAS, eh?

[mickeycrimm]

Here's a really weird no-offer story which I can't understand:

"Mike" took advantage of a promo at Casino A. He signed up with a new card there, under his own name. He showed a profit during this promo because it was very +EV, but he did put in enough normal play to where he didn't just hit and run. However, Mike did not do enough regular play to justify the amount of free stuff he got via the promo, so predictably his offers dropped to very little -- kinda like $5-$25 freeplay days (several per month) and a few buffets.

None of the above is unusual or surprising. To this day, Mike is still getting the above fail offers, so the takeaway here is that he is not cut off from Casino A, nor was he ever barred or restricted from there in any way. Mike also did not take part in any multi-carding shenanigans or do anything against the rules. He did 100% of the play on his card.


Casino B is part of the same club as Casino A. It is well known to get separate mail from Casino A. Shortly after completing the promo from Casino A, Mike went over to Casino B (for the very first time) and ran play there. At Casino B, he did not play on any offers or promos -- just strictly ran play on his own dime. Mike fired about $35k in coin-in and lost about $3500, running unusually bad. Mike did not set foot in either casino after this, hoping for offers to roll in from Casino B, maybe better than expected because he ran so bad.


To Mike's surprise, 3 full months passed and he got zero offers from Casino B. Like absolutely nothing. Zero freeplay, zero room offers, zero buffets, absolutely nothing. At the same time, Casino A continues sending him offers -- not very good ones, but offers nonetheless.

So it appeared that Mike was no-offered from Casino B, despite his entire body of interaction being playing once and losing at a rate of 10% on $35k coin-in. He had no issues at Casino B with security or anything else. In fact, he didn't even interact with anyone.

Mike contacted Casino B. They told him that his account looked fine, and agreed that it was extremely weird he was getting zero offers after 3 months. Nobody can figure out what happened. They confirmed they could see his play there, and the numbers matched what Mike actually played there -- both coin-in and loss.


What do you think happened?

It would be understandable if BOTH casinos no-offered him after being unhappy with his promo play from Casino A, but how could he be getting continued offers from A (where he did the promo), and none from B (where he played on his own dime, and got his ass beat)?

It's also somewhat perplexing because Mike did play a good deal on his own dime at Casino A anyway, so he wasn't one of those guys who just took promo $ and ran off. At worst, you'd guess they'd just send him shitty offers, which is what's happening. But why is B no-offering him?

Running a 40K wager in a few hours is the classic play of attempting to trigger large amounts of freeplay. An amount of freeplay that would easily outrun the upfront theoretical loss of about $500.

If Mike ran extremely bad and dumped $3500 my guess is he was playing double double bonus. But the beauty of this kind of play that has worked well for many in the past is even if you run bad the amount of freeplay still easily outruns the loss.

Most guys are not shooting in the dark on plays like this. They know the track record of the casino's freeplay offers. They know the exact amount of action to run to trigger the freeplay.

Was Mike attempting to trigger large amounts of freeplay?

Did he know the casino's track record on freeplay offers?

The problem with this type of thinking regarding using VP to create freeplay is that in 2024 there are many other factors that are more important then the theoretical loss. Back in the day I would agree this was the bread and butter method. There are still a few places left that this works, but even in those places better options exist. But whatever no one cares because it’s not exciting enough to just make heaps every week without variance. Gamblers need to gamble to feel like they are doing something. To each their own

10K's, high denom regals and hexes are a few areas to run a large wager.

[Treeshade]

I made more then 20 Million gambling “not” just MC. I have just over 21m currently but it doesn’t matter. For some reason broke people get upset when you talk about having large sums of money. That’s something I never could figure out.

TMI.

It is bad form to log on to gambling sites and claim to have made millions from gambling, let alone 21 M from grifting.

So, when are you gonna die, any ETA?

How about starting a Dead Pool?

Oh, and what will finally cause your final dirtnap...elephantiasis of the cock?

Dude, I don't believe a word you post, but WGAS, eh?

Yeah guys like you think it’s bad form

My point exactly

Time will tell


Apparently Dan is not able to erase my account for reasons he obviously is not able to say.

They lose tho and all that money wasted because I surely will pass before they Finish. So even in my death I will be beating someone at something

Adios V you got my last response on this honey pot rat trap

[Tasha]

I wonder why Seedvalue is so hellbent on being banned. On another Website, I had a Sock and I felt that Sock had become stupid and useless as that Sock at that point was now ONLY arguing with my Main Account when at FIRST it was a useful Sock. I got tired of that Sock and I wanted that Sock gone. I s tarted an explosive thread cussing out the Website and the Admin in hopes the Admin would ban the Sock. The Sock was STILL active even after that explosive thread cussing out the Members and the Admin. I couldn't believe it.

The Admin banned the Sock only after I confessed I lied about being in the NAVY. My Sock claimed to be in the NAVY and I was like,"Okay, okay, I'm not really in the NAVY, I lied." THAT was the final straw for the Admin and he FINALLY banned the Sock and I felt relieved that that Sock was banned. I later acknowledged that I could have just asked the Admin to ban the Sock when the Sock was still Active, a simple,"I no longer want to be an Active Member, can you please ban my Account!" Instead of the explosive thread cussing out the Posters and the Admin. So once again, I wonder why Seedvalue wants to be banned. I wanted my Sock banned because I felt it got stupid and useless, but Seedvalue is a worthy Contributor here, not stupid or useless, so I question why he wants a ban so bad.

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Tasha, Nathan, whoever you actually are. Not even you could make up shit like this. Ha.


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I wonder why Seedvalue is so hellbent on being banned. On another Website, I had a Sock and I felt that Sock had become stupid and useless as that Sock at that point was now ONLY arguing with my Main Account when at FIRST it was a useful Sock. I got tired of that Sock and I wanted that Sock gone. I s tarted an explosive thread cussing out the Website and the Admin in hopes the Admin would ban the Sock. The Sock was STILL active even after that explosive thread cussing out the Members and the Admin. I couldn't believe it.

The Admin banned the Sock only after I confessed I lied about being in the NAVY. My Sock claimed to be in the NAVY and I was like,"Okay, okay, I'm not really in the NAVY, I lied." THAT was the final straw for the Admin and he FINALLY banned the Sock and I felt relieved that that Sock was banned. I later acknowledged that I could have just asked the Admin to ban the Sock when the Sock was still Active, a simple,"I no longer want to be an Active Member, can you please ban my Account!" Instead of the explosive thread cussing out the Posters and the Admin. So once again, I wonder why Seedvalue wants to be banned. I wanted my Sock banned because I felt it got stupid and useless, but Seedvalue is a worthy Contributor here, not stupid or useless, so I question why he wants a ban so bad.

Here's a hint "tasha".....normal people don't give half a shit about who uses socks, who's banned, or why people say what they do on forums. Only retarded minorities like yourself and that lying homo kew think these forums are real life affairs. Losers do that.

Suck down some drugs like MrV does. Lowlife are said to be finding comfort in such things these days.

[MisterV]

They lose tho and all that money wasted because I surely will pass before they Finish. So even in my death I will be beating someone at something

Adios V you got my last response on this honey pot rat trap

If in fact you are dying...I am sorry to hear that, all bullshit aside.

Adios back at ya.

[1Hit1der]

Another reason that most posters shouldn't talk about such with strangers. There's no way to verify it.

In general, can I give much of a, if any, shit about Seedvalue, one way or the other? In truth, no, but, I have a lot more respect for the posters who tend to keep their personal lives out of it.

[MisterV]

In general, can I give much of a, if any, shit about Seedvalue, one way or the other? In truth, no...

This might sound a bit "corny," but to me it seems like posters on these forums who post for quite awhile almost seem like "family."

Not close relatives, but there is a connection made, and when they die, or leave, there is a void.

I've given Seed a rough time yet I'll "miss" him when / if he's gone.

[kewlJ]

Tasha, Nathan, whoever you actually are.

Are you fucking kidding me? How many names/handles/accounts/personalities do you have on just this forum?

Don't throw stones asshole.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz is now giving advice on video poker play over on Gambling Forums:


https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa....15744/page-81

[1Hit1der]

Not close relatives, but there is a connection made, and when they die, or leave, there is a void.

I question the real value of the connections. Not every one is as fair and honest, even if overly direct, as you, MrV. Ha.

A couple of months ago, one of the main, long-time posters died, at the English Stackexchange forum. He was a retired English professor. The "forum connection" there is kowtowing, to the point that any goofs, etc, of his, and corrections of, were quickly deleted by the moderators. I think that he was another Shackleford, in that he tried to let on how smart he was, but, at the same time, made so many clear mistakes, even in terms of knowing what day of the month it was.

The other day, a poster there remarked that he made the mistake of responding to a years-old thread. It's the same over there with traffic declining, and, so, they have a "bot" that bumps up old threads, under the guise of editing the question, and, so on. No better way to further kill off a forum.

[1Hit1der]

Tasha, Nathan, whoever you actually are.

Are you fucking kidding me? How many names/handles/accounts/personalities do you have on just this forum?

Don't throw stones asshole.

I wrote that in jest, knowing the implications, in that I didn't make it about Tasha's other usernames. Ha.