Would You Believe?

[redietz]

To paraphrase Maxwell Smart,

Would you believe I won 50 out of 52 blackjack sessions, was patted on the back by pit bosses and my hosts as being a great player, and stayed in suites for 200 days last year?

What about I won 50 sessions total last year, two pit bosses and a cocktail waitress called me "sir," and everyone commented on the prominent bulge in my pants?

How about I won three times in six months, got comped wings (without sauce), got rack rate for week days, and the hookers gave me six extra minutes an hour?


Watching people twist themselves into knots trying to be MDawg apologists because his detractor is kewlJ -- it's a hoot. Why would any "AP" say that, after five years of this, there must be something to the MDawg narrative just because? Because what?

Imagine, if you would, that I posted after the fact reports of winners in sports betting to the tune of 50 of 52 winning weeks and I was getting comped out the wazoo and everybody saluted, loved me, and took my action? And I could demonstrate my "session records?"

Would anyone decide "there must be something to it?" What? Something magical? I would hope no "AP" would be that dumb. I would also hope that all "APs" would have something to say about how farfetched it was. And that, if asked, be they wizards, elves, or free labor, they would render an opinion on the veracity.

I have spent my life dealing with claims like these, only maybe not in totality as absurd. I can't believe you have forums allowing this. It blows my mind. I don't get the whole "Poker Fraud Alert" schtick if you aren't going to use your expertise to debunk this stuff.

[kewlJ]

I gotta ask. The 6 extra minutes from the hooker. Was that by chance according to a Rolex watch with a bit of a fishy smell to it?

[accountinquestion]

Why would professional gamblers care? What is the incentive?

There is always an incentive for someone pushing some agenda to correct mdawg but Pro gamblers don't give a fuck. It is about the money and not telling the world about whatever angle you use . Pretty much sums up wisest move.

Anymore questions just ask please.

[smurgerburger]

Who cares?

[MisterV]

Anymore questions just ask please.

OK: What makes you think the hound is a professional gambler?

By report he is a So Cal attorney who not long ago discussed stopping gambling, or at least substantially curtailing his casino play.

Would a successful pro / AP with the results he claims voluntarily walk away from the goose that lays golden eggs?

Are you simply in awe because he likes to throw out large numbers, or perhaps it's "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

[soxfan]

Break out the cone-of-silence for when the kewl-J/pinnochio start bulls-shitting again, hey hey.

[MaxPen]

To paraphrase Maxwell Smart,

Would you believe I won 50 out of 52 blackjack sessions, was patted on the back by pit bosses and my hosts as being a great player, and stayed in suites for 200 days last year?

What about I won 50 sessions total last year, two pit bosses and a cocktail waitress called me "sir," and everyone commented on the prominent bulge in my pants?

How about I won three times in six months, got comped wings (without sauce), got rack rate for week days, and the hookers gave me six extra minutes an hour?


Watching people twist themselves into knots trying to be MDawg apologists because his detractor is kewlJ -- it's a hoot. Why would any "AP" say that, after five years of this, there must be something to the MDawg narrative just because? Because what?

Imagine, if you would, that I posted after the fact reports of winners in sports betting to the tune of 50 of 52 winning weeks and I was getting comped out the wazoo and everybody saluted, loved me, and took my action? And I could demonstrate my "session records?"

Would anyone decide "there must be something to it?" What? Something magical? I would hope no "AP" would be that dumb. I would also hope that all "APs" would have something to say about how farfetched it was. And that, if asked, be they wizards, elves, or free labor, they would render an opinion on the veracity.

I have spent my life dealing with claims like these, only maybe not in totality as absurd. I can't believe you have forums allowing this. It blows my mind. I don't get the whole "Poker Fraud Alert" schtick if you aren't going to use your expertise to debunk this stuff.

You should have spent your life figuring out how to pay that tax bill on your dad's house. So you didn't have to borrow against those funds paying a late fee every year to support your sports bets in your 60's.

Imagine worrying about some random on the Internet that is obviously accomplishing what he set out to do when he got involved in the forums.

[kewlJ]

Why would professional gamblers care? What is the incentive?

Who cares?

Who cares? I care. Have I somehow not made that clear?

If you don't care, that is fine. That is your right. But don't tell me what I should and shouldn't care about.

I care for 2 reason. One is I just don't like the concept of jackwads coming on any forum spewing bullshit gambling mis-information and claims, whether it be here, WoV, Druff's poker forum or YouTube. I think people, especially real players that play for a living should say that is bullshit. And that goes doublely <- for a forum like WoV, that is supposed to be based on the math.

And there is precedent for calling out this stuff. I mentioned Druffs forum, which I don't participate at, because one of the longest running threads (last I looked) was a thread challenging and calling and Christorpher Mitchell. What about WoV? Both prior to Madwg and after there is precedent of calling out the Bullshit claims. Prior to how about the case of Alan Mendelson and 18 y.o. in a row. Who is it that completely took apart Alan's claim mathematically? One Michael Shackleford.

And Post Mdawg, we have EvenBob and his 80% win rate claim. No one believes that and everyone has been allowed to say the don't believe that. So why with this Mdawg, were members, real players, not allowed to even say they don't believe the claims. Saying you don't believe a persons claims is NOT an attack on that person. It is an attack on what the person has written or claimed. And the rule is supposed to be don't attack the person attack what he writes. So why this special treatment?

And the second reason I care is as a player who next weekend will mark 20 years of supporting myself from AP play (although the first couple barely), I take offense at this bullshit. I work damn hard at what I do. I think most AP's do. especially what it takes to be able to play and avoid counter-measures. That might be more a card counter thing than other forms of AP, but I think we all deal with that.

I have actually had to re-invent myself and style of play a couple times now to be able to keep playing. And I will be damned if I will stay silent when some ying yang comes along claiming you can spread 1-50 at double deck, sit, play and win for hours on end the casinos and personnel not only allow it be praise you. It is offensive to me. If it is not offensive to other AP's that is fine but it is offensive to me.

And don't even claim I am jealous of anyone. It isn't about the money. Most APs make more than me, a good many far more. I love that. Love every dollar that any real AP makes. I just don't like people pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining.

[smurgerburger]

Correction, who that is not a lunatic cares?

[kewlJ]

Correction, who that is not a lunatic cares?

Sure, take the low road, the troll road at every opportunity. That is what this forum is.

[kewlJ]

I can't believe you have forums allowing this. It blows my mind. I don't get the whole "Poker Fraud Alert" schtick if you aren't going to use your expertise to debunk this stuff.

THIS. +100

To Not only Dan Druff who does this with his PFA forum, but to Wizard who led the charge against Alan's 18 y.o. claim. And has repeatedly debunked people like Rob Singer and his Progression wagering claims. Why the change when it comes to Mdawg and 60 winning hands in a row, and 90% winning sessions reported over years?

[MisterV]

KJ, as I try to read the tea leaves at the Land of the Lotus Eaters, I detect a possible attitudinal change in the Wiz toward the tick-infested hound who always humps his leg.

Get ready for a "Down boy...bad dawg..."

[kewlJ]

KJ, as I try to read the tea leaves at the Land of the Lotus Eaters, I detect a possible attitudinal change in the Wiz toward the tick-infested hound who always humps his leg.

Get ready for a "Down boy...bad dawg..."

Ssshhh MrV. Let it play out. Don't jinx anything. I sense that too. But I can guarantee your flea-hound friend is working Mike behind the scenes trying to manipulate him as he has done many times before. So let's just see what happens.

[Rob.Singer]

Perfect. Now redietz feels better than he did yesterday by just being ignorant.

A journalist's journalist.

[accountinquestion]

Anymore questions just ask please.

OK: What makes you think the hound is a professional gambler?

By report he is a So Cal attorney who not long ago discussed stopping gambling, or at least substantially curtailing his casino play.

Would a successful pro / AP with the results he claims voluntarily walk away from the goose that lays golden eggs?

Are you simply in awe because he likes to throw out large numbers, or perhaps it's "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

I don't think he is professional. He is lying, doing loss rebates, bringing in real whales OR sun-running lime God himself.

Pretty much I don't care because I'm here to be amused and his stories don't amuse me.

[coach belly]

Perfect. Now redietz feels better than he did yesterday by just being ignorant.

A journalist's journalist.

50+ years later, and Sonny Clipboard is still looking for attention from the players.

[MDawg]

It is about you lying constantly !!!!

This whole math thing. Let me tell you something, Kewl. To the sharper people on here it becomes increasingly apparently that you based you whole facade around being believable. Where the math "works". When you're in a really bad spot you fall back on the "why don't you believe me because the math works". It is sad. I'm not sure what drives you to continue with this charade.

Anyone thinking I am bullying this dude REMEMBER he just threatened to dox someone. In addition, even though he calls people "sand n" when it suits him - he threatened to call the local news station to put pressure on Druff.

Kewl, the improbability of what all you have claimed is 0. Absolutely 0. This is why we get annoyed with you. Go find some other forum to give everyone gambling advice. JFC

[accountinquestion]

I can't believe you have forums allowing this. It blows my mind. I don't get the whole "Poker Fraud Alert" schtick if you aren't going to use your expertise to debunk this stuff.

THIS. +100

To Not only Dan Druff who does this with his PFA forum, but to Wizard who led the charge against Alan's 18 y.o. claim. And has repeatedly debunked people like Rob Singer and his Progression wagering claims. Why the change when it comes to Mdawg and 60 winning hands in a row, and 90% winning sessions reported over years?

Mdawg is not hustling anyone outside of some fantastic stories. Alan's 18 yos got far far less attention than mdawg.

Guys hustling systems and picks to others are the ones to actually correct if that is your thing.

Redietz is far more in in the above categories and likely why he gets so much shit.

[MDawg]

Some cats lie about some stuff some of the times but the kewl-J lie about everything, all of the times, hey hey.

As far as REDietz, clearly he isn't making any money wagering, so how is he making money if not through hustling up investors and people willing to pay him to teach them whatever it is he claims to know? That's all established and I don't care why would I.

What is unsettling about REDietz is that he has this rat in him, and frequently wants to rat people out. That doesn't make any sense to me, why these guys are rats.

The rats of VCT Boz, MisterV, REDietz, UNKewlJ

[MisterV]

The rats of VCT Boz, MisterV, REDietz, UNKewlJ

You're a bigger "rat" than any of us, given your habit of PMing the Wiz / mods to whine and complain about those who laugh at you.