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  1. #21
    I did ask a couple blackjack type AP's that I network with. That is where I actually got an answer from.

    I really didn't want to do that, because when someone helps you with something like that, they expect and rightfully so, something in return. And this is not my play to be sharing with anyone. This is my brothers play or find. He has shared it with me, but it isn't my place to share it with anyone, right now.

    Anyway, you people go ahead and do what you do.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I did ask a couple blackjack type AP's that I network with. That is where I actually got an answer from.

    I really didn't want to do that, because when someone helps you with something like that, they expect and rightfully so, something in return. And this is not my play to be sharing with anyone. This is my brothers play or find. He has shared it with me, but it isn't my place to share it with anyone, right now.

    Anyway, you people go ahead and do what you do.
    You're just salty because this tale that you've been working on didn't even pass the smell test after your 2nd post. Really,,,WTF is wrong with you?

    As AIQ would say, "Get Help"
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I did ask a couple blackjack type AP's that I network with. That is where I actually got an answer from.

    I really didn't want to do that, because when someone helps you with something like that, they expect and rightfully so, something in return. And this is not my play to be sharing with anyone. This is my brothers play or find. He has shared it with me, but it isn't my place to share it with anyone, right now.

    Anyway, you people go ahead and do what you do.
    An AP friend would want something in return? Just give him an "around-the-world-in-80-ways".

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    My brother found and has been playing a game (electronic), where the player is allowed to hit again after doubling down. The example would be dealer shows a 7, player doubles down on 10 and receives a 3, and is then allowed to hit again.

    It is beyond my ability to figure out exactly what this adds to the players advantage, and I see no way to run a simulation based on this rule, but it seems like it might be worthwhile. Anybody, mickey, maxpen, have any ideas? Or perhaps one of the math guys from the other forum that reads could PM me.

    Thank you.
    Oddly enough your buddy QFIT uses the same wording. This page assumes that you know the basic Blackjack rules. 97 common & oddball variations of Blackjack rules and play are described.


    Hit after Double Down - This rule does not actually exist. However, in some casinos Surrender after Double Down does. Inexperienced dealers will sometimes allow you to Hit after a Double in these casinos. This is very valuable.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Oddly enough your buddy QFIT uses the same wording. This page assumes that you know the basic Blackjack rules. 97 common & oddball variations of Blackjack rules and play are described.


    Hit after Double Down - This rule does not actually exist. However, in some casinos Surrender after Double Down does. Inexperienced dealers will sometimes allow you to Hit after a Double in these casinos. This is very valuable.
    I am not following your meaning with the "same wording" comment? I did check both Qfit's forum/book, and WoV for information on the added value of this rule/play before asking and didn't see anything.

    However I have since received the information I was looking for, so no worries.

    As far as inexperienced dealers, this is an electronic game, with an electronic dealer. So that does not apply. But again, I have what I needed now.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    This is like watching a drowning person reaching for a life preserver that's 10 arm lengths away.
    I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Oddly enough your buddy QFIT uses the same wording. This page assumes that you know the basic Blackjack rules. 97 common & oddball variations of Blackjack rules and play are described.


    Hit after Double Down - This rule does not actually exist. However, in some casinos Surrender after Double Down does. Inexperienced dealers will sometimes allow you to Hit after a Double in these casinos. This is very valuable.
    I am not following your meaning with the "same wording" comment? I did check both Qfit's forum/book, and WoV for information on the added value of this rule/play before asking and didn't see anything.

    However I have since received the information I was looking for, so no worries.

    As far as inexperienced dealers, this is an electronic game, with an electronic dealer. So that does not apply. But again, I have what I needed now.
    Is the rule listed on the game rules screen? If not, it's probably a programming error.

    You've given up enough information that it wont be hard to find.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #28
    I for one am glad kewl came back to share his discoveries.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  9. #29
    Pretty dramatic gambling life for a humble mid-level card counter. $100k WAP wins here, multi-$100k settlements there, randomly finding a severely misprogrammed ETG even though you don't even play machines.

    I mean I start feeling a little smug when I merely find a machine that gives the wrong amount of points.

  10. #30
    Advantage player or advanced parody?
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Pretty dramatic gambling life for a humble mid-level card counter. $100k WAP wins here, multi-$100k settlements there, randomly finding a severely misprogrammed ETG even though you don't even play machines.

    I mean I start feeling a little smug when I merely find a machine that gives the wrong amount of points.
    This tunnel dwelling fraud doesn't have a clue as to what is really going on out there. He just reads shit on the Internet and lets his imagination run wild...lol
    Last edited by MaxPen; 03-17-2024 at 02:15 PM.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  12. #32
    He shore do' try hard to please, though.
    I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    However I have since received the information I was looking for, so no worries.
    Wonderfull, please enlighten us. What does that add?

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    However I have since received the information I was looking for, so no worries.
    Wonderfull, please enlighten us. What does that add?
    LOL! Axel, what were you saying about people should keep their mouths shut?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Wonderfull, please enlighten us. What does that add?
    It mitigates the advantage lost by not knowing if he can double down on soft hands.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I ask a simple question about the math for an unusual blackjack rule. For about a minute and a half, I thought I might get a reasonable answer. But alas, no. the trolls just continued with their trolling and obsession. What a forum you have here Dan Druff.

    Anyway, I have since received the information I was seeking. So do your thing people. Troll to your hearts content.
    KewlJ, is this a rule described in the help screens or could it be a bug in the software?

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You can't get to the truth with a fraud.
    I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by DRich View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I ask a simple question about the math for an unusual blackjack rule. For about a minute and a half, I thought I might get a reasonable answer. But alas, no. the trolls just continued with their trolling and obsession. What a forum you have here Dan Druff.

    Anyway, I have since received the information I was seeking. So do your thing people. Troll to your hearts content.
    KewlJ, is this a rule described in the help screens or could it be a bug in the software?
    If it were real there is no chance it would be intentional.

    It would make the game +EV off the top (given everything else KJ claimed about it) and it's not even something people want. It's not like it's Spanish 21 or some game designed to have zany rules that make it more interesting than normal BJ.

    But... see Mdawg for further commentary.

  19. #39
    That rule, double after split, shakes things up.It's like a bonus hit after doubling down, which can be pretty cool. Figuring out the exact advantage is tough without simulations, but it definitely gives players more options.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    However I have since received the information I was looking for, so no worries.
    Wonderfull, please enlighten us. What does that add?
    LOL! Axel, what were you saying about people should keep their mouths shut?
    That ship had sailed to point Nemo and back after the first post.

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