THE 10K WARS

[coach belly]

Front and back photos are on file.

Front and back photos of what?

[coach belly]

Ask them.

Do you mean that they ask the player something that would identify themselves (name, DOB, SS#),
or that I should ask them how they identify the players?

[DGenBen]

Its all location specific nowadays. Most places don’t ask for ID if your players card is on file.

Some places ask for it on your first jackpot for that day & then don’t ask you again for the rest of the day.

Some places (although rarer) always ask for ID even if the same attendant knows you & just paid you 10 minutes ago.

Recently some tribal places (usually ones with strong freeplay that have been hit hard by multicarders) have refused to pay jackpots if they were hit on someone elses card. This is still the exception & not the rule, but it has been happening at more than one place.

Pala casino in Southern CA recently put signs up that if you hit a jackpot on someone elses card it will not be paid.

[MisterV]

Ask them.

Do you mean that they ask the player something that would identify themselves (name, DOB, SS#),
or that I should ask them how they identify the players?

For the final, totally correct answer you need to ask the casino about their procedures.

I mean, I can only hypothexize: how in the holy fuck am I supposed to know the answer with the absolute certainty which you comically demand?

You wanna know for sure?

Ask them how they do it.

Got it?

[coach belly]

refused to pay jackpots if they were hit on someone elses card.

How do casino personnel verify that the player who hit the jackpot is the person whose card was in the machine when the jackpot was hit?

From off the casino floor, do they establish whose player's card was in the machine, and compare the photo on file for that card to an eyeball view of the player to determine if they are the same person?

Do they check for all jackpots that require a W2G?

[coach belly]

I mean, I can only hypothexize

Please do, for you specifically.

You don't provide any information to the slot attendant?

They establish and verify your identity entirely through some backroom process?

[MaxPen]

Front and back photos are on file.

Front and back photos of what?

The ID you supply to sign up for the player card. They don't need to ask you for anything because they already possess a digital image of your driver's license or whatever.

[MaxPen]

refused to pay jackpots if they were hit on someone elses card.

How do casino personnel verify that the player who hit the jackpot is the person whose card was in the machine when the jackpot was hit?

From off the casino floor, do they establish whose player's card was in the machine, and compare the photo on file for that card to an eyeball view of the player to determine if they are the same person?

Do they check for all jackpots that require a W2G?

Look , it's 2024 some places the attendants carry tablets and can pull your ID on that. Some places your ID pops up on the attendants tablet before they even come over to you. There's places that will have you waiting for an attendant while they are preparing your trespass papers if you hit a hand pay on someone else's card. Then they may or may not pay you before escorting you out. That's the tribal joints.

[coach belly]

They don't need to ask you for anything because they already possess a digital image of your driver's license or whatever.

I'm trying to establish if there are negative consequences to hitting a taxable jackpot on another player's card.

Does the casino prepare a W2G based on the information provided to the attendant by the player encountered by the attendant, or do they use the information on file for the player's card that was in the machine when the button was pushed?

Is the player required to provide any information to the attendant?

How do they verify that the player who pushed the button, the player who the attendant encounters at the machine, and the player whose card is in the machine are the same person?

Are they reviewing surveillance footage, and comparing DL photos to customers' faces for each jackpot?

That doesn't seem plausible.

[Garnabby]

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I always get a kick out of Mickey getting wound-up when he starts to get into the numerals, but, ending with "more later...". Some weird thought process. Ha.

Hawking put one, or two, relatively simple equations in his books, because he knew no one would otherwise bother to look at them. Mickey, perhaps write out a few of the standard analyses in one thread, and let it at that. Link to them as the need arises.

... how in the holy fuck am I supposed to know the answer with the absolute certainty which you comically demand?

Ha.

[coach belly]

some places the attendants carry tablets and can pull your ID on that. Some places your ID pops up on the attendants tablet before they even come over to you.

I was writing while you were explaining, but I understand now.

I'd like to research this for a multi-carding experiment.

Can you direct me to some places where I can observe the tablets being used?

[Rob.Singer]

They don't need to ask you for anything because they already possess a digital image of your driver's license or whatever.

I'm trying to establish if there are negative consequences to hitting a taxable jackpot on another player's card.

Does the casino prepare a W2G based on the information provided to the attendant by the player encountered by the attendant, or do they use the information on file for the player's card that was in the machine when the button was pushed?

Is the player required to provide any information to the attendant?

How do they verify that the player who pushed the button, the player who the attendant encounters at the machine, and the player whose card is in the machine are the same person?

Are they reviewing surveillance footage, and comparing DL photos to customers' faces for each jackpot?

That doesn't seem plausible.

In Nevada, it's simple. A tax form is only issued to the verified player who hit the winner--checking with the cameras if needed. Attendants MUST be 100% sure who that was, and if they don't already possess player proof, they ask for an ID. If you choose not to provide it, then you will not get paid until you do. The name on the player's card is irrelevant, UNLESS the casino has a stated policy that if a player is using a card, it has to be theirs. Not all Nv. casinos require that. And even then, there is no set policy on what might occur should that be the case.

Coach, I've seen a tablet being used for my ID purposes at Wynn. But not by an attendant; rather by a suit who came over because it was a 6-figure win.

[DGenBen]

Not to mention the process can vary at the same place by the amount of the jackpot.

Ie I know of one tribal place that checks with surveillance on all W2Gs even $1200.

Another place does not check with surveillance on all W2Gs but if the jackpot is $10,000 or more, not only will they check with surveillance but if the machine has this capability they will actually have the machine play back the spin or bonus that led to the jackpot.

[MisterV]

see below

[MisterV]

I mean, I can only hypothexize

Please do, for you specifically.

You don't provide any information to the slot attendant?

They establish and verify your identity entirely through some backroom process?

Take a recent foray I had at Chinook Winds for example.

Within a couple hours of play I won two handpays.

Each time the attendant did not ask me to show any ID.

They removed my player's card, put in their own card and did something with the machine: IIRC they opened it up, closed it, then left, giving me my card back to keep playing while they got the money and the tax form.

[coach belly]

I mean, I can only hypothexize

Each time the attendant did not ask me to show any ID.

Stipulating that the tax form had the proper info...what's your hypothesis, how did they know that you are the person whose card was in the machine?

[mickeycrimm]

Vegas Matt was betting $100 a spin on the play. A way to lower the variance is to bet less, like $50 or $25 per spin. But that will increase the amount of time it takes to spin the play off.

Matt got on at 9703 and won the meter at 9912. That's $209 in meter movement. He got stretched out on the play. From his starting point the average hit it 9850. He said he lost $12,300 on the play. So he had been drained for $22,212 when he hit it.

Moving the meter $209 takes a $139,403 wager. (209 X 667).

139403 minus 22212 = a return of $117,191

117191/139403 is an 84% return. A 16% drain. Not very good. Matt didn't do very well with the free spins. But most of the loss is attributed to the fact that the meter ran $69 over the average hit of $9850.

[mickeycrimm]

Here's Matt taking on another 10K:

[MisterV]

I mean, I can only hypothexize

Each time the attendant did not ask me to show any ID.

Stipulating that the tax form had the proper info...what's your hypothesis, how did they know that you are the person whose card was in the machine?

Again I can only hypothesize as I never inquired into what they do, but my GUESS is that they pull up on a computer the previously scanned copy of my driver's license, the one I presented to them and which they scanned and presumably retained linked to my account when the card was first given to me: presumably they'd then compare my mug to the photo on the license.

Plus...I am not an infrequent slot player / hand pay winner at Chinook Winds and Spirit Mtn., they seem to "know me" as I've played there for decades now.

But these are tribal joints in podunk, bumfuck Oregon: I've no clue (nor interest) in how things are done elsewhere.

[accountinquestion]

Hard to imagine IRS doesn't require government ID to have the IRS claimed owed taxes. Not saying places don't require ID. I never spun off bigger plays so I also don't know due to limited experience.