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  1. #281
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    No one disbelieve kew doesn't play and isn't addicted to and completely infatuated with bj. Certainly, the online concoction he's created is totally dependent upon him having read up on and played the game at some level.

    But is he "making a living" from what to him is a "fascinating" game? This is where, in my case, I've separated the man from the boy. I know he doesn't like this one bit, but ever since he made the mistake of threatening to kill me as I showed up on the scene, almost immediately recognizing how very phony all his bs was, I was made aware of just who this character was, his financial standing and proclivities, as well as who supported him and where he lived. He likes to claim I know nothing because it hurts him to accept such a thing, and because I never release any of the information that I am not allowed to release due to the method in which I obtained it.

    Yet while kew claims he's not allowed to release any of the financial and gaming information about mdawg he supposedly was given by MGM execs (after some heat, later changed to "some friends") he fully expects everybody to believe him and accept his words as gospel truth....and if you disagree with him you're "hateful, homophobic, and a liar".

    He truly is just another unremarkable AP-wannabee living in and around LV. And as everyone SHOULD realize, there are a lot of them in that town. That's why his story includes so many lower-level boasts. To him and his real life, his made-up online "pro bj player" life is actually some sort of success story, when only queers and high school kids might barely be impressed.

    I of course 100% know all he does is put on a good show laced with many lies. Why else does anybody think he's had to CONSTANTLY come up with fake story after story--and has been exposed and caught red-handed every single time--just to try and build up whatever reputation he likes to believe be has, along with of course, believing the lies swing the attention & relevance pendulum back to where he craves it be and stay: at his doorstep and ONLY his doorstep.

    People can and will make their own decisions about this. But ask yourselves this--do YOU believe MGM "employees" would ever simply hand over proprietary company player information to a nobody character such as kew, and in the process just fluffing off the risks of being fired and/or being sued (by a lawyer of all people)....and one with deep pockets?

    Simply use your heads.
    Rob this entire post is bullshit AND we have been over all this before. You know nothing about me. Not my name, not what I look like, Not what I talk like. There is no one supporting me. That is all baloney. Sure I guess people know where I live now. Maybe you know that. Nothing else.

    AND I have previously given you free reign to reveal any information you think you know, because I am 100%, not 90, not 80, but 100% positive that you don't know. And each time I have given my permission for you to reveal, guess what? Crickets from you. Because you know nothing. More Singer bullshit.

    BUT, go for it. I again give my blessing for you to reveal whatever you want.

    As for Mdawg, no one ever provided me with personal information about him. Not a name, not an address. certainly not bank statements of financial information. And I never suggested that. What my friend looked for, found and provided me was the gambling information, the gambling records that the casino had for a player that matched Mdawgs gambling claims amounts, and at the time, many comped suites. And that record showed a player that was in the red, at a time Mdawg claimed he was ahead a million or more for the 7 months.

    There just aren't than many players playing at that level, that basically lived at the casinos for 7 months, so there is virtually no possibility the info was of the wrong guys. And just for good measure, Mdawg all but admitted that, a short time later when in one sentence he changed his 7 month trip total from winning 1 million to "about even". And even that was BS. I mean I guess if 100k in the red is "about even" then maybe he was about even.

    What I think many of these guys do is they add the over-priced value of comps, rooms and food. So if they lost 100k over 7 months, but got 7 months worth of comped rooms and food, they feel they can call that about even. If that IS about even to them...whatever. The casinos will and do welcome that kind of "about even" play.
    Another panic-post.

    It's not about your "permission" you idiot. It's about the source trusting me to do what I said. And you never see it, do you. Why else would you again post such a scrambling denial? Because you know I am (one?) of the people here who absolutely know you are lying about yourself.

    You also never realize how many times you do a "walk-back" of your asshat claims whenever it hits you that your previous iteration really exposes what a lying fool you are. First, we were told a tale about "MGM execs"; then it was "industry friends"; now it's "a friend". And now we're seeing "it's not personal information--it's only gaming and comp records"!

    Tell us kew--you keep on trying to convince and impress everyone with your very naiive "that's not how casinos and this town works" nonsense. Well what's your "knowledgeable Man-About-Town" sense say to you about casino employees who just "give away" proprietary customer information to a nobody like you? Is THAT how casinos & LV really work, genius? Is THAT how employees really work?

    Do you ever review the lies you write before posting them?

    This is yet one of the many reasons NO ONE believes most of what you say--about yourself and others....and why you continue to be a forum laughing stock.

  2. #282
    Repeat Rob is at it again. Rob has made this stupid claim about an FBI source, I think brother-in-law or nephew has provided him with information about me.
    And I have called him out each time. No FBI agent would risk their job doing that to aid crazy old uncle Rob in his forum trolling. Furthermore, because I am 100% sure Rob has no such information, I have given him permission to reveal this non-existant information. And he never has. Never can. Like Alan once said of Rob. "All we get are excuses". Even Rob's biggest fan Ozzy (missing for 8 months), wasn't buying Rob's bullshit on that one.


    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Come on Rob, quit the bullshit. kew is daring you to post his name. Why can't you ? Seems to me you really don't have this " secret info" .Similar to kew countless times yacking about all your supposed info. Here's your golden opportunity.
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Rob does this recent failure to expose kews name with his constant taunting, have something to do with you just turning 74 ? You of all people should relish in a situation like this. Very dissapointing coming from the All- time greatest forum troll Singer/Logan.

    Rob has been playing these repeating games for decades, so I can't blame it on his dementia unless his dementia began in his 50's. But perhaps his current mental health is now making him worse. Or perhaps that is just the Singer play book. But I am done relitigating the past over and over. Come up with some new bullshit Rob or you will have to proceed without me.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #283
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Repeat Rob is at it again. Rob has made this stupid claim about an FBI source, I think brother-in-law or nephew has provided him with information about me.
    And I have called him out each time. No FBI agent would risk their job doing that to aid crazy old uncle Rob in his forum trolling. Furthermore, because I am 100% sure Rob has no such information, I have given him permission to reveal this non-existant information. And he never has. Never can. Like Alan once said of Rob. "All we get are excuses". Even Rob's biggest fan Ozzy (missing for 8 months), wasn't buying Rob's bullshit on that one.


    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Come on Rob, quit the bullshit. kew is daring you to post his name. Why can't you ? Seems to me you really don't have this " secret info" .Similar to kew countless times yacking about all your supposed info. Here's your golden opportunity.
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Rob does this recent failure to expose kews name with his constant taunting, have something to do with you just turning 74 ? You of all people should relish in a situation like this. Very dissapointing coming from the All- time greatest forum troll Singer/Logan.

    Rob has been playing these repeating games for decades, so I can't blame it on his dementia unless his dementia began in his 50's. But perhaps his current mental health is now making him worse. Or perhaps that is just the Singer play book. But I am done relitigating the past over and over. Come up with some new bullshit Rob or you will have to proceed without me.
    Looks like I REALLY got under your skin this time with the truth. You know it, I know it, and your lies prove it.

  4. #284
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    And of course the rare instance that your double card gave you a 10 or 11, (say doubling a 9 and receiving a 2, you definitely want to double again, no matter what the dealer had.
    That's odd, your original strategy was to hit in that situation. Now it has morphed into doubling down a 2nd time after it was pointed out that you could choose that option rather than hitting.

  5. #285
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    And of course the rare instance that your double card gave you a 10 or 11, (say doubling a 9 and receiving a 2, you definitely want to double again, no matter what the dealer had.
    That's odd, your original strategy was to hit in that situation. Now it has morphed into doubling down a 2nd time after it was pointed out that you could choose that option rather than hitting.
    My original strategy was NOT to hit in that situation. Please link to where I said if I doubled a 9, drew a 2, I would hit again.

    I trust the confusion on your part is legit and not just an attempt to troll as the others do.

    I may not have specifically said that you could double down again after the original double down if the total was a total that would be beneficial to that. I just assumed that people would know the ability to take another action after a double down would include a second double down as well as hitting when appropriate.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  6. #286
    There is one very interesting thing about this second double down that I have never mentioned, because it just doesn't matter at this point.

    The rules were the same everywhere. So I assumed they were set by the manufacturer, including this glitch. BUT at one location (gulf coast), you could not redouble. You could only re-hit. So in the example we are talking about your 9 vs break card, double, draw a 2, you could not redouble your 11, only hit it.

    This sort of changed my thinking that everything was set by the manufacturer as this was obviously changed. Why they didn't notice the hit part after doubling down and change that as well, I have no answer for. Maybe just didn't realize.

    So anyway, because of that one location with a different rule as per the "re-double" I decided that there was a default setting by the manufacturer, but someone, I don't know if it was casino or tech or what but someone may have had the ability to change the setting. I don't know how it all worked really. I can only report what I experienced.

    If I am correct about this, it is even more astonishing that it survived almost universally with the same rules, including glitch.

    But I'll just wait while everyone tells me how wrong I am.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  7. #287
    Let's cut right to the chase about most everything UNKewLyingJ says or posts.

    Originally Posted by Ray Finkle View Post
    Maybe I can step in here and help,

    It Never Happened.

    You're welcome....
    I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  8. #288
    How are things in Tahoe, Mdawg? 65 degrees and sunny Sunday morning. Brunch? Boating? Nope you are holed up inside trolling on the internet for hours.

    Reminds me of your Vegas trips.

    Your wife or girlfriend or paid companion...whatever she is, must think you are some fun to travel with.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #289
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    There is one very interesting thing about this second double down that I have never mentioned, because it just doesn't matter at this point.

    The rules were the same everywhere. So I assumed they were set by the manufacturer, including this glitch. BUT at one location (gulf coast), you could not redouble. You could only re-hit. So in the example we are talking about your 9 vs break card, double, draw a 2, you could not redouble your 11, only hit it.

    This sort of changed my thinking that everything was set by the manufacturer as this was obviously changed. Why they didn't notice the hit part after doubling down and change that as well, I have no answer for. Maybe just didn't realize.

    So anyway, because of that one location with a different rule as per the "re-double" I decided that there was a default setting by the manufacturer, but someone, I don't know if it was casino or tech or what but someone may have had the ability to change the setting. I don't know how it all worked really. I can only report what I experienced.

    If I am correct about this, it is even more astonishing that it survived almost universally with the same rules, including glitch.

    But I'll just wait while everyone tells me how wrong I am.
    This doesn't seem to make sense.

    Your original story was that there was a tiny, obviously unintended, input window after doubling where you could hit again.

    Now you're claiming that you think this window was actually due to a rule setting? Why would there ever be a rule setting like this (both what it allows and how hard it is to use or even notice)?

    My point here is not that your story is false (it is of course but no using beating a dead horse), but that the whole conception of the story doesn't make sense anymore.

  10. #290
    Kewl would have a lot more credibility if he simply posted all the results of his slot tournament results and pointed to them as proof.

  11. #291
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    There is one very interesting thing about this second double down that I have never mentioned, because it just doesn't matter at this point.

    The rules were the same everywhere. So I assumed they were set by the manufacturer, including this glitch. BUT at one location (gulf coast), you could not redouble. You could only re-hit. So in the example we are talking about your 9 vs break card, double, draw a 2, you could not redouble your 11, only hit it.

    This sort of changed my thinking that everything was set by the manufacturer as this was obviously changed. Why they didn't notice the hit part after doubling down and change that as well, I have no answer for. Maybe just didn't realize.

    So anyway, because of that one location with a different rule as per the "re-double" I decided that there was a default setting by the manufacturer, but someone, I don't know if it was casino or tech or what but someone may have had the ability to change the setting. I don't know how it all worked really. I can only report what I experienced.

    If I am correct about this, it is even more astonishing that it survived almost universally with the same rules, including glitch.

    But I'll just wait while everyone tells me how wrong I am.
    This doesn't seem to make sense.

    Your original story was that there was a tiny, obviously unintended, input window after doubling where you could hit again.

    Now you're claiming that you think this window was actually due to a rule setting? Why would there ever be a rule setting like this (both what it allows and how hard it is to use or even notice)?

    My point here is not that your story is false (it is of course but no using beating a dead horse), but that the whole conception of the story doesn't make sense anymore.
    OMG!! Input Window? I'll be shocked if I ever used such terminology. Please link to where I did.

    There are/were buttons. for the player actions that would light up after the initial two cards. Stand, hit, split, double down. The split double down would only light if it was a hand you were able to take those actions.

    So on a double down hand you hit the double down button and a double down card was drawn, which you could see. So you would know that your double down card was and your total was against the dealer up card. The dealer hole card had not yet been revealed.

    You with me so far?

    So after your initial double down, and knowing your total and only the dealers up card, there was a brief second that the buttons all lit up again. I am going to say it wasn't even a full second. Part of a second. And if you acted in that brief part of a second you could re-hit, redouble. It felt like that split second was the computer totaling up your hand, but I know that is not really the way computers work. That is just what it felt like.

    And the re-lighting of those buttons, which allowed you to re-hit, re-double was actually a major part of this. THAT is how I know this play wouldn't last long. It wasn't like the double up bug that Kane/nestor played (not Singer) where you had to do something, some sequence to active the glitch. This occurred with you doing nothing and the machine pretty much told you that with the lights re-lighting for that partial second. All you had to do was act quickly. Anyone playing for even a little while should notice those lights re-lighting and discover this glitch or whatever you want to call it.

    If those lights didn't re-light up, practically alerting this glitch, I would have much more likely considered a play strategy that involved milking the play, rather than slash and burning it. But the lights lighting like that guaranteed this wasn't going to last long.

    Are you following?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  12. #292
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.
    I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  13. #293
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    And of course the rare instance that your double card gave you a 10 or 11, (say doubling a 9 and receiving a 2, you definitely want to double again, no matter what the dealer had.
    That's odd, your original strategy was to hit in that situation. Now it has morphed into doubling down a 2nd time after it was pointed out that you could choose that option rather than hitting.
    My original strategy was NOT to hit in that situation. Please link to where I said if I doubled a 9, drew a 2, I would hit again.

    I trust the confusion on your part is legit and not just an attempt to troll as the others do.

    I may not have specifically said that you could double down again after the original double down if the total was a total that would be beneficial to that. I just assumed that people would know the ability to take another action after a double down would include a second double down as well as hitting when appropriate.
    You made no mention of doubling a 2nd time, until it was pointed out that this was something that should be done if the player's total warranted it. The only thing you mentioned was to hit again or stay as one's choices prior to that - so this would cover the case of what to do next after receiving a duck with 9 in the bag.

  14. #294
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    You made no mention of doubling a 2nd time, until it was pointed out that this was something that should be done if the player's total warranted it. The only thing you mentioned was to hit again or stay as one's choices prior to that - so this would cover the case of what to do next after receiving a duck with 9 in the bag.
    Honestly, I didn't think it necessary to specifically say that. You could take a second action after the initial double. If you could re-hit, I assumed everyone would understand you could re-double.

    I am also not familiar with these terms: Duck with 9 in the bag. Very colorful.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #295
    KewlJ nothing you said in your most recent response to me refutes, qualifies, challenges, or even addresses anything I said in my post.

  16. #296
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    UNKewlJ's stupidity explained: mental illness.
    I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  17. #297
    Here is the thing that may be leading to some confusion with you guys. My initial post on this subject, was just after my brother had told me of this play and I had checked it out for about 10 minutes myself.

    I then contacted several AP's that I knew would know the answers I was looking for of what this was worth. 4 of them actually. I went into detail with these four so they would have everything they needed to figure it out. I eventually received replies from all 4, two with slightly different answers and two including Wizard that wanted the location of the game in exchange for an answer.

    But those answers were slow in coming and I wanted to get on this play. So I posted a little bit on two forums, here and a blackjack forum. I was much more vague in those public postings as I wanted to give away as little as possible. My hope was several people (math guy types) would contact me privately and then I could provide any addition information or answer any questions.

    So not specifically mentioning the re-doubling down was not unintentional. (double negative there for you English majors). But I really did assume most would understand that.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  18. #298
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    KewlJ nothing you said in your most recent response to me refutes, qualifies, challenges, or even addresses anything I said in my post.
    I answered as best I could and tried to correct you misunderstanding of an "input window".

    If you are asking me technical questions concerning computers and software as to how it worked....I have no idea. I am NOT knowledgeable in that area and have never claimed to be.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #299
    I really don't mind trying to answer some of these questions, even though it is obvious some of you think this is an interrogation. But I am not going to waste forever doing so. Especially on a play that is over., or at least over for me. (maybe a few lingering opportunities based on private conversations)
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  20. #300
    I also shared details with mickeycrimm, including that the lights re-lit for a partial second. I just looked at what I wrote to him. I said fraction of a second.

    With Mickey I also didn't specifically say you could re-double. I just assumed people would understand that a second action meant you could re-hit and re-double.

    So I will ask mickey, did you think I only meant re-hit and not re-double?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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