Caesars improves video poker pays on low limit progressives

[Alan Mendelson]

Just heard that Caesar Palace in LV has a new group of 25-cent video poker progressives with pay tables that are better than the non-progressive games at this denomination. Better pay tables plus the progressive. In the video poker area of the Forum casino. Some photos and an article here: http://www.alanbestbuys.com/id220.html

[redietz]

Jesus, these are still terrible pay tables. That progressive would need to hit five digits for these to be good games -- um, I may be wrong, Arci -- check that if you would. And when did people start referring to 8/5 bonus as "full-pay?"

Who in their right mind plays this stuff?

[arcimede$]

The games are right around 98% before adding in the progressive. The progressive meter is probably zipping along at something like .25% making it almost impossible to get to the 8000 credits necessary for the games to be slightly positive.

However, I guess if you are comparing to 96-97% return games it looks good by comparison. It gets down to what extras you get in freeplay and/or cashback. Probably not enough to make them playable for an APer.

[Alan Mendelson]

Redietz, games do not have to be "positive" in order to be considered "full pay." Full pay jacks or better is the 9/6 game. For Bonus it is the 8/5 game.

Believe it or not, this particular kiosk of 25-cents progressives is a "deal" for anyone playing 25-cent video poker at Caesars.

[redietz]

Actually, Alan, historically "full-pay" originally meant 100% or better. If you go back and read the literature from 1995 or previously, this was (I know, "was") the predominant meaning of "full-pay." Somehow, through the years, the casinos hijacked the definition and now "full-pay" refers to...what? Why call something "full-pay" at all? To what does "full-pay" refer? If it refers to the most common variation of a particular kind of video poker, well, that's just silly, because eventually we'll have 6/5 J or B defined as "full-pay."

It was only eight or nine years ago that 9/6 started being referred to as "full-pay."

[arcimede$]

I think the "full pay" term was originally coined to describe the highest paying variation of a game "generally available". It's really meaningless as redietz stated. It's also the reason I rarely use the term and stick with positive/negative to describe games. After, that is the key difference that needs to be understood.