The end.

[kewlJ]

I have been an AP in Vegas for 15 years now. Despite what you haters think I know a little something about how things work.

Axelwolf has been an AP for I beleive he has said 30 years.

Probably a dozen other "known" AP at WoV and each and every one of us have called him out on this bullshit.

PositiveVariance, Half smoke and a few others here seem to know what they are talking about and how things work and have called him out.

Even recreational players that know how things work have called him out.

Dan Druff: I don't know exactly what Druff does AP-wise, but he certainly talks about a lot of AP stuff in addition to being a professional poker player for 20 some years. He certainly knows how Las Vegas works. Did you forget what he wrote? If so read my signature.

Michael Shackleford, the great Wizard of Las Vegas. Despite agreeing to not talk about it for some bizarre reason, has still managed to break his NDA and express that Mdawg is not the winning player he claims. He did so in code (because of the NDA), but he did so.


Yet YOU and whomever these AP friends you talk to think there is something to it. You think Las Vegas is all of the sudden just allowing players to win every day, playing rated and comp them up the ass on top of it.

Fuck dude, I am embarrassed for you. We need to yank back the "most Gullible" award from Tasha and give it to you for your mantel.

Good night and/or morning. Go USA!

[MDawg]

KJ keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

[MDawg]

If I have to be honest here, at this point MDawg actually has way more credibility than you. He's actually met up with the wizard, played Baccarat at a medium level, and won.

since kewl has never (and never will) provided proof of anything, MDawg has to be considered the more credible between the two.

In fairness to MDawg, he has definitely proven more about himself than I understand you to have done.

I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue to the possibilities of what he is really doing. All you've done is spent years trying to discredit the guy without providing one ounce of proof beyond the obvious as to what is really going on.

One of the reasons I have always stayed out of the MDawg drama for the most part is because of the possibilities as to what is really going on.

Every now and then you get a new piece to the MDawg puzzle. Maybe one day it will be solved. But for now he has 10x more credibility than you. People know him, people have seen him play, he's actually profited from a non-believer, and has had no one step up to claim supposed free money if they don't believe a story told about a session or whatever.

Meanwhile you have absolutely nothing substantiated....RIP

the bottom line is I just simply believe what MDawg has posted is more plausible in it's totality. Unlike you, I have the ability to understand that there are things I don't know that others possibly do. I also have enough knowledge to understand how winning play could be tolerated under an arrangement. Not to mention the only thing you've EVER stated that has been corroborated is that you post from an IP address within Vegas.

Also you are not too bright, but you genuinely believe you know everything about APing and casinos. A wise man knows there is much he doesn't know, but in you we have the unfortunate combination of being extremely self-righteous and unwise. For this I feel sorry for you.

But of course I'm just trolling you... and all the trolls deep down actually believe you, right? Total self-dilution. Have you ever considered you might be wrong about anything??

I bring these up primarily because these are like knives being twisted in UNKewlJ's guts. And the fact that it bothers him so much, is most of the reason why he's not at all the type who could play low key in a casino the way he claims, and not get booted time and again for getting hysterical when things don't go his way. The REAL story behind how he got that black eye recently could give us some more insight.

[Keystone]

In fairness to MDawg, he has definitely proven more about himself than I understand you to have done.

I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue to the possibilities of what he is really doing. All you've done is spent years trying to discredit the guy without providing one ounce of proof beyond the obvious as to what is really going on.

One of the reasons I have always stayed out of the MDawg drama for the most part is because of the possibilities as to what is really going on.

Every now and then you get a new piece to the MDawg puzzle. Maybe one day it will be solved. But for now he has 10x more credibility than you. People know him, people have seen him play, he's actually profited from a non-believer, and has had no one step up to claim supposed free money if they don't believe a story told about a session or whatever.

Meanwhile you have absolutely nothing substantiated....RIP

the bottom line is I just simply believe what MDawg has posted is more plausible in it's totality. Unlike you, I have the ability to understand that there are things I don't know that others possibly do. I also have enough knowledge to understand how winning play could be tolerated under an arrangement. Not to mention the only thing you've EVER stated that has been corroborated is that you post from an IP address within Vegas.

Also you are not too bright, but you genuinely believe you know everything about APing and casinos. A wise man knows there is much he doesn't know, but in you we have the unfortunate combination of being extremely self-righteous and unwise. For this I feel sorry for you.

But of course I'm just trolling you... and all the trolls deep down actually believe you, right? Total self-dilution. Have you ever considered you might be wrong about anything??

I bring these up primarily because these are like knives being twisted in UNKewlJ's guts. And the fact that it bothers him so much, is most of the reason why he's not at all the type who could play low key in a casino the way he claims, and not get booted time and again for getting hysterical when things don't go his way. The REAL story behind how he got that black eye recently could give us some more insight.

JFC, this towelhead is already at it?

[kewlJ]

There is a rather simple way to end this now years long nonsense.

Mdawg tell and show Micheal Shackleford, Mdawg's boy, who protects Mdawg and suspended dozens of members on Mdawgs behalf and request, exactly what Mdawg is doing that would result in an advantage that could account for all the winning Mdawg has claimed for 5 years now.

then Wizard should publicly post, not what Mdawg is doing, but just that Mdawg is doing something that would give him an advantage and account for all the winning and 2) that in his expert opinion, the casinos would allow all this winning and continue to comp him as Mdawg claims.

This second part of course is the real problem. THAT is what makes Mdawgs claims such bullshit. Take blackjack, there are all sorts of things a player can do to gain an advantage. Card counting, which I do, Hole carding, Shuffle tracking, Ace sequencing to name a few. But the casino allowing a player playing rated, so they know exactly what he has won, to continue to win, AND comp him all the comps Mdawg claims, that continues to be the problem.

So you show wizard, have him make those statements and this all goes away. And if for some reason Wizard who you have bought and paid for, isn't acceptable to you, how about our own Dan Druff. Or even one of several AP's that are beyond contestation, like our mickeycrimm, or Axelwolf.

You pick any one of these people/players/AP's, show them what you are doing and have them conclude that yes you are playing with an advantage that would account for all the winning and yes the casinos would allow you to play and win unmolested as you claim, AND comp you on top, and this all goes away. Until then you are a guy claiming he has some super secret system, that no one has ever thought of and the casinos can't detect. Or in otherwards until then, you are no different than the many YouTube nut cases.

Your call Mdawg, you can end this and bask in the glory or continue this nonsense.

[MDawg]

Hitler, someone UNKewlJ likes to mention or allude to frequently, lost the war partly because he was fighting two fronts, east and west.

UNKewlJ is fighting five or more fronts at once, which is part of why he's such a scatterbrained loser.

At the same time that he's trying desperately to establish that he's not just a male prostitute tunnel dweller,

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

he's trying inanely to claim that R.Singer, MDawg, and anyone else who comes across his softly whining senses is not doing whatever it is they are claiming.

And at the same time, he's fighting homelessless



and black eyes



from Johns upset at the raw scams he's pulling on them.

Plus on top of all that he's whinnying in the background about how

I really don't care what people think about me.

, and that he will never contact any of us again,

MDawg this is the last thing I will ever say to you

or will quit the forums entirely.

I will not be responding, not on this forum, or any forum. I will not participate. I'm done here.

Plus all his posts are ones where he

keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

So it's no wonder he's a basket case.



You don't particularly see me responding to much if any of the nonsense from him (or anyone else) do you? I speak with wit and conviction, the authority of a man long accustomed to knowing what he's talking about, and not needing to respond to every gnat like critique.

UNKewl, on the other hand...

#1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully. Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

[kewlJ]

I guess we have his decision.

[kewlJ]

As for Maxpen. MaxPen is no doubt a real AP. But he is wrong about many things. He told me several things about seedvalue, who he was, things he had done and all of them turned out to be wrong. He has said things about mickeycrimm for years that were wrong. He physically described me, as an Asian guy with black hair. Wrong! Wrong!

Some of maxpens's stuff is just trolling, other things he is just wrong. And if he seriously thinks you are doing something at an advantage that would account for all the winning you claim, millions of dollars worth....and that the casinos would allow you, a guy who plays rated, so they know his results, to just continue to play and win day after day.....AND comp you up the ass on top of that, then Maxpen is just wrong.....AGAIN!!

[DaveDandry]

Two guys on here have this weird obsession with each other, with both of these guys standing by day or night ready to make replies to each other. One of the guys has a computer storehouse of quotes, gifs, and highlighted text ready to cut and paste at a moments notice. Pointing out the obvious makes me a sock? You speak of socks, methinks several of your other attack dogs on here might be your socks. You seems to be prolific on posting at various forums, having a few alter ego's at the ready would not surprise anyone.

[Rob.Singer]

As for Maxpen. MaxPen is no doubt a real AP. But he is wrong about many things. He told me several things about seedvalue, who he was, things he had done and all of them turned out to be wrong. He has said things about mickeycrimm for years that were wrong. He physically described me, as an Asian guy with black hair. Wrong! Wrong!

Some of maxpens's stuff is just trolling, other things he is just wrong. And if he seriously thinks you are doing something at an advantage that would account for all the winning you claim, millions of dollars worth....and that the casinos would allow you, a guy who plays rated, so they know his results, to just continue to play and win day after day.....AND comp you up the ass on top of that, then Maxpen is just wrong.....AGAIN!!

That's right kew--everybody's wrong and only you are right.

This is why you spend your useless life being ridiculed on the gaming forums. Your peabrain just doesn't get what a fool all these dumb things you say make you. And even when others PROVE that you've made up stories to get attention and PROVE that you've been spewing lies all along, it bothers your weakass mental state so much that you seem to go out of your mind with even more insane claims.

But please---keep it up! I tingle.....

[kewlJ]

But please---keep it up! I tingle.....

Yeah, THAT tingle is probably a stroke.

[kewlJ]

Two guys on here have this weird obsession with each other,.

I will say this since you are new here. I don't have an obsession with Mdawg or even Singer. I really don't care about either. I do have an obsession and care about people posting the misleading bullshit claims that they do. And there are 2 reasons for that.

1) is that it isn't fair to legit players that come to these forums looking for real information.

and 2) is that it isn't fair to the many real players, real AP's that win using math and real AP techniques and do the work, which is find ways to be able to continue to play.

THAT is my big issue. I can't stop all the scammers that populate youtube and such, but I can speak up on the forums I am on and when one of these people makes ridiculous claims that defy the math and the way things work, I can say "Yeah, that just is not the way it works".

I can. I do. And I will continue to.

[monet]

18 Pages of this nonsense and still going strong.
Sickening.

[DaveDandry]

Two guys on here have this weird obsession with each other,.

I will say this since you are new here. I don't have an obsession with Mdawg or even Singer. I really don't care about either. I do have an obsession and care about people posting the misleading bullshit claims that they do. And there are 2 reasons for that.

1) is that it isn't fair to legit players that come to these forums looking for real information.

and 2) is that it isn't fair to the many real players, real AP's that win using math and real AP techniques and do the work, which is find ways to be able to continue to play.

THAT is my big issue. I can't stop all the scammers that populate youtube and such, but I can speak up on the forums I am on and when one of these people makes ridiculous claims that defy the math and the way things work, I can say "Yeah, that just is not the way it works".

I can. I do. And I will continue to.

LOL, OK

[MDawg]

I'm not sure what is more deluded thinking - you believing anyone believes your stories or you telling everyone you don't really care.

[MisterV]

I'm not sure what is more deluded thinking - you believing anyone believes your stories or you telling everyone you don't really care.

I believe most of KJ's yarns about gambling but then again I don't really "care." at least not in the sense that it actually concerns me in the real world.

[accountinquestion]

I will wait for your response before I delve into it.

I can't verify he is a winner. There is tons about him I can't verify. HOWEVER what he has told me has gotten me thinking and talking with some other APs about what might just be possible.

unhun. Ok good, plays right in to what I was going to say.

So you and these other AP's have decided that casinos on the Las Vegas strip....the big casinos with the top people running them, would just allow a player to win almost everyday for years now, while continuing to comp them all the high end stuff that are reserved for the high end LOSING players. And he claims to be playing rated, so they know exactly how much he is winning. THAT is what you and these other AP's have concluded?

If so you are not as smart as I thought and gave you credit for. No wonder you don't know what is fucking real and what isn't.

So let me just tell you straight out, since you and the other AP's you have talked to haven't figured it out. It wouldn't matter if Mdawg had come up with the elusive "holy grail", that gamblers have been looking for....gamblers not AP's... for centuries, and he had some magical system or method of play that guaranteed winning at both Bacarát and blackjack....here is the important part....pay attention: The casinos would NOT just allow him to win, day after day, almost every day as he claims, winning millions, and comp him what he claims on top of it. Let me re-phrase that slightly. They wouldn't allow him to win period, let alone all the comps on top....for years like he now claims. And that includes this rainman photographic memory stuff that he feeds you. Still would be shut down pretty quickly.

Try to understand this. Casinos are not in the business of giving away millions like he claims and patting the player on the back and say, "well done. I will see ya tomorrow". Players can and do win, but they can't do so long-term playing rated, (where there is a black and white record of it) and still be welcome to play. It just doesn't work THAT way. And it makes no difference what the player is doing, or if the casinos can even figure out what the player is doing. They are not going to allow him to show up everyday, win, and comp him on top of that for years now, like he claims.


THAT is the part that absolutely guarantees he is not winning like he claims. Not what he is doing specifically....that doesn't even matter.

And I will close with this. The really funny part is that if you accept that he isn't winning like he claims and is in fact a losing player like his records showed the year I saw, then everything else fits. EVERYTHING! All the comps. The casinos and personnel loving him (or the personnel pretending to), which is their job....to cater and friendly up to the big losing players.

If YOU really don't understand this...I am at a loss for words.

Those who know, know.

And clearly you don't know.

[The Boz]

Nah, this is the end. When garbage like this becomes acceptable we are at the end. And there is no way this wasn’t intentional. This guy knew his balls were out and wanted the attention. And he knows in today’s world anyone complaining will be called anti gay or a bigot.

Fuck the Olympics!

[MisterV]

LOL

That reminds me of a photograph I once saw in the sports section of the local paper in south Jersey.

It showed the athletes crossing the finish line in a sprint: one of them had his shlong hanging visibly outside of his running shorts.

Oops.

[Rob.Singer]

It's your typical faggot with a tiny dick. This is a known fact with these losers. The first time a female sees those little things they laugh, which then sends these weaklings into the arms of another man with crossed wires upstairs.