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    Picture this:

    A new Vegas hotel gets built in the 1990s. The rooms are large. It has a party "Mardi Gras" type atmosphere, with ongoing shows in the casino, and even an innovative floating "show in the sky" moving along the ceiling.

    People like the concept. It's fun and interesting. They're willing to travel off-strip and over I-15 in order to visit or stay there.

    Then the years pass by. It gets bought by Caesars, which neglects it, and lets the rooms get rundown and much of the facilities in disrepair. Eventually the free in-casino shows are shuttered, and the show in the sky is removed. It becomes nothing but a worn, older property with no real theme, and an undesirable location. At the same time, Vegas becomes increasingly location-focused, where every property in or near center strip succeeds, while everything else struggles.

    You run a company which has no prior gaming experience. Do you buy this hotel?

    And if you're dumb enough to do so, do you compound the mistake by keeping the existing tainted branding, while NOT bringing back the elements which people enjoyed in the first place?


    That's what happened with the new Rio.

    It was bought for a lot of money ($516 million) by a company called Dreamscape. For some reason, they did zero market research (or if they did, it was done poorly), and it was not discovered that the Rio brand now has a negative connotation, due to the decades of Caesars neglect. As most tourists don't closely follow Vegas news, they hear "Rio" and assume it's still the same shithole under Caesars ownership.

    In addition to the $516 million, they also put a lot of money into renovating both the interior and exterior of the hotel/casino. I will admit that it looks much nicer from the outside, and the rooms are fairly nice. However, there's still no real theme, no party atmosphere which people liked so much in the '90s, and there's an air of incompetence and confusion which hangs in the place.

    I stayed there in early July. I had a horrible interaction with the front desk employee who checked me in, a woman who seemed already mentally signed out for the night. I approached at 4:30am, and here's how the conversation went:

    Me: "I'm here to check in"

    Her: "That will be a $50 early checkin fee, are you aware of that?"

    Me: "Oh... I'm not checking in early. This was for last night's reservation. I called and told them I'd be here at this time."

    At this point, she looked VERY annoyed, like I was pulling a fast one or something. She scoffed, then the conversation went on:

    Me: "Can you please put me facing the quiet side and away from the elevator?"

    Her: "We don't have anything like that, you're already assigned to a room."

    Me: "Can you please check and see what's available?"

    Another scoff. She hammers away at the computer and finds a room which she thinks meets my description.

    Me: "Is it away from the elevator? I see the room ends in 00, so that sounds like it might be right by the elevator."

    Her: "It is right by the elevator."

    DOH!! Did she not hear my request before when I was asking the room to be changed?

    Me: "Oh, I will be sleeping late. I don't want right by the elevator. Can you change it?"

    Another scoff. She starts tapping away at the computer and says that she found another room, but it "may not be on the quiet side, but I think it is." I accepted it, she reprogrammed the keys, but about 30 seconds later, I decided not to gamble with this, and told her I'd just like to take the last one she offered by the elevator. She tapped a few keys and said, "Okay, I've moved you back. Is there anything else I can help you with?"

    I said, "Yeah, I saw you didn't reprogram the keys again. So these keys probably won't work, right? Can you program them back to the original room?"

    "Oh, they'll work," she said.

    "Are you sure? I've never seen this before where a room change occurs and the keys still work."

    "I changed it back. It will work. I assure you," she replied.


    I dragged all my stuff all the way across the property to the Masquerade tower, went upstairs and.... lo and behold,... the keys didn't work! Oh, and it wasn't by the elevator... it was at the end of the hallway!

    So she did this to fuck with me. She purposely left me with bad keys because I was annoying her. Awful. The next morning I reached the front end manager, who conceded that it probably was an intentional move, and apologized to me. She took off the resort fee (the only thing I was paying, as the rest was comped), as a gesture to make it right.

    But what a fucking joke that was. How do you not instantly fire someone who does shit like that?


    Anyway... hopefully that nice manager still has a job, because Rio just fired 30 managers in what can only be described as downsizing.

    Also, many executives have flown the coup. According to Vital Vegas:

    Rio recently lost its president, Trevor Scherrer, who stepped down due to a medical issue. Patrick Miller is the new President and CEO.

    Rio also lost its Chief Financial Officer, Janice Fitzpatrick. She left in Feb. 2024.

    Also no longer at Rio is the Vice President of Finance, Jason Ansuini. He left Rio in May 2024 and is now Vice President of Analytics at Resorts World.

    Patrick Hoefler stepped down from the position of Rio’s Vice President of Food & Beverage in June 2024.

    Rio’s Vice President of Sales position has been vacant for several months following a departure.

    We’ve heard several other high ranking executives have moved on as well since Dreamscape took over operations from Caesars Entertainment, but our LinkedIn search hand is cramping up, frankly. You get the picture.

    From what we can tell, these executive departures were related to other opportunities, they weren’t pushed out or part of any cost-cutting initiative.

    Vital Vegas seems to like the Rio and his article treats them gently. However, if you read between the lines, "other opportunities" basically means these executives saw a sinking ship, and wanted to jump the fuck off.

    Rio was drawing dead. They had no shot at success as a medium-high-end resort, especially not with the existing Rio name. Dreamscape wasted their money.
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    Vital Vegas is Scott Reuben a well known paid casino shill, no? Of course Rio is going to butter his bread.

    Too much wealth at top end.. these bozos gotta find something to do with it.

    Lol rio

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    The Rio's new carpet...

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    The problem is that when companies do the market research they research things like the total size of the gambling market, the hotel / convention market, tourist market etc. & base what they will be able to make on grabbing a certain share of that market.

    The problem is what they often neglect to do is fully understand how & why customers would decide to use their property over a competitor.

    A good analogy would be a single guy that wants to meet a hot chick so he does research and finds out about a night club where there are a ton of hot single women that are all looking for men & the women out number the men 2 to 1.

    So then he shows up in jeans, a dirty T shirt, & with a booger hanging out of his nose.

    All the other guys there look like models & are well dressed.

    He doesn’t understand why he has 0 success when he did his research & found the most lucrative spot on earth.

    As it is with these casinos, that understand what a market can do, but don’t understand how to earn the business away from other more savvy competitors.

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    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
    I left that part out because it wasn't important. I called security and they brought me keys after checking my ID to make sure I was legitimately supposed to have them. Had to stand 15 minutes and wait for them, but whatever.
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    Used to love the Rio. Harrah's took over and for a while it was still enjoyable. Then it took a dive. This new owner has made a big mistake, and I think everyone knew it the day the sale went through. Administratively, it sounds like another Fountainbleau.

    Just another fond LV memory.

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    I'm picturing a place which may not ever rediscover their glory for the reasons they ever popped are over with and it's a different world.

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    So, what are the most profitable LV casinos these days?
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    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
    I left that part out because it wasn't important. I called security and they brought me keys after checking my ID to make sure I was legitimately supposed to have them. Had to stand 15 minutes and wait for them, but whatever.
    Thank you for clarifying that you did get the right keys the same night and didn't spend a night not sleeping in your assigned room.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    So, what are the most profitable LV casinos these days?
    Here, let me Google that for you. As you might imagine it’s mostly center strip properties.


    1. Wynn Las Vegas and Encore
    Revenue: Over $1 billion annually.
    Details: Wynn Resorts' flagship properties, Wynn Las Vegas and its sister resort Encore, are among the most luxurious and profitable on the Strip. They attract wealthy clientele with high-end gaming options, luxury shopping, and top-tier entertainment.
    2. Bellagio
    Revenue: Approximately $1 billion annually.
    Details: Owned by MGM Resorts International, Bellagio is famous for its luxury, high-end gaming, and iconic fountain show. The Bellagio's poker room is one of the most prestigious in the world, attracting high-stakes players.
    3. MGM Grand
    Revenue: Over $1 billion annually.
    Details: One of the largest hotels in the world, MGM Grand offers a massive gaming floor, luxury accommodations, and numerous entertainment options, including a large arena that hosts major events.
    4. The Venetian and Palazzo
    Revenue: Over $1 billion annually (combined).
    Details: These sister properties, owned by Las Vegas Sands Corporation, are known for their opulence, extensive gaming areas, and luxury suites. They also have a strong focus on conventions and events, which contribute significantly to their profitability.
    5. Caesars Palace
    Revenue: Around $1 billion annually.
    Details: One of the most iconic casinos in Las Vegas, Caesars Palace is known for its Roman-themed luxury, high-end gaming, and a wide range of entertainment options. It has been a staple of the Strip since the 1960s.
    6. Aria Resort & Casino
    Revenue: Close to $1 billion annually.
    Details: Part of the CityCenter complex, Aria is a modern, luxury resort known for its sophisticated technology, high-end gaming, and fine dining. It attracts a younger, affluent crowd.
    7. The Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas
    Revenue: Nearing $1 billion annually.
    Details: Known for its trendy, chic atmosphere, The Cosmopolitan has become a favorite for a younger demographic. Its unique design, vibrant nightlife, and diverse dining options contribute to its profitability.
    8. Mandalay Bay
    Revenue: Around $700 million to $1 billion annually.
    Details: Mandalay Bay is popular for its massive convention center, luxury accommodations, and extensive entertainment offerings, including the famous Shark Reef Aquarium.

    These casinos generate significant revenue not only from gaming but also from hotel accommodations, dining, entertainment, and conventions. The actual rankings and profitability may vary slightly depending on the source and the specific year.

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    Wouldn't have guessed Mandalay Bay was on the list. Just seems like a random MGM property to me.

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    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Wouldn't have guessed Mandalay Bay was on the list. Just seems like a random MGM property to me.
    I think this is where the power of having a long established customer base comes in.

    Even tho its not the best location having a large customer base that gets regular comped room & other offers ensures they will always have at least a minimum amount of people staying & playing there,

    Same with Rio when it was a Caesars property.

    Plus MB because it’s a little nicer than some of the run down properties probably gets a good amount of non comped repeat business just from people who like & are familiar with the property.

    But it’s what FB & the new owners of the Rio are missing, large existing customer base.

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    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
    I left that part out because it wasn't important. I called security and they brought me keys after checking my ID to make sure I was legitimately supposed to have them. Had to stand 15 minutes and wait for them, but whatever.

    I stayed in the Rio when it first "soft opened" and everything was brand spanking new. The soft opening window was really very cheap considering the size of the rooms. The Rio pools, at the time, were genuine hot spots, and occasionally you could look up from the pool and see some couples doing James Bond silhouette stuff against the windows of the rooms facing the pool.

    I stayed in the Rio about once a year for the next decade or so. The buffet was, I believe, the first mega-buffet in Las Vegas.

    I remember being offended when Harrah's wouldn't comp me a burger and fries for a 5K-and-change wager, so I pulled a Todd. Still standing at the window, I requested a refund (you can do that) due to "my error." I then went to the Rio, with identical numbers, and got the buffet comped for the same wager.

    My late friend, Johnny Mucha, and I stayed there a few times. The sports book manager, after they were CET, clued me in to some inner workings of the limits and comps for CET properties. That info was not public knowledge. Over the years, the place wore out. They wound up getting Legionnaires Disease (or something similar) a couple of times, which is usually a plumbing problem. The air quality got worse as they cheaped the running of the air purifying system.

    I hope they get it together and make a comeback. The rooftop nightclub was one of the few in LV that catered to an older crowd.

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
    I left that part out because it wasn't important. I called security and they brought me keys after checking my ID to make sure I was legitimately supposed to have them. Had to stand 15 minutes and wait for them, but whatever.

    I stayed in the Rio when it first "soft opened" and everything was brand spanking new. The soft opening window was really very cheap considering the size of the rooms. The Rio pools, at the time, were genuine hot spots, and occasionally you could look up from the pool and see some couples doing James Bond silhouette stuff against the windows of the rooms facing the pool.

    I stayed in the Rio about once a year for the next decade or so. The buffet was, I believe, the first mega-buffet in Las Vegas.

    I remember being offended when Harrah's wouldn't comp me a burger and fries for a 5K-and-change wager, so I pulled a Todd. Still standing at the window, I requested a refund (you can do that) due to "my error." I then went to the Rio, with identical numbers, and got the buffet comped for the same wager.

    My late friend, Johnny Mucha, and I stayed there a few times. The sports book manager, after they were CET, clued me in to some inner workings of the limits and comps for CET properties. That info was not public knowledge. Over the years, the place wore out. They wound up getting Legionnaires Disease (or something similar) a couple of times, which is usually a plumbing problem. The air quality got worse as they cheaped the running of the air purifying system.

    I hope they get it together and make a comeback. The rooftop nightclub was one of the few in LV that catered to an older crowd.
    Johnny Mucha, didn’t he used to run with Vinnie “The Vacuum” Vaccaro?

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    If you're referring to Jimmy Vaccaro's nephew, whose name I do not recall, I should say not.

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I read the thread and the ONLY thing that REALLY stuck with me is that you apparently didn't sleep in the assigned room that got the bad keys. You said you got bad keys and the next day you spoke to the Manager. You didn't say something like,"I went back to the Front Desk and told the rude Clerk off for giving me bad keys and demanded the right key and told her I would be reporting her to her Manager over this. You implied you didn't sleep in that room that night....
    I left that part out because it wasn't important. I called security and they brought me keys after checking my ID to make sure I was legitimately supposed to have them. Had to stand 15 minutes and wait for them, but whatever.

    I stayed in the Rio when it first "soft opened" and everything was brand spanking new. The soft opening window was really very cheap considering the size of the rooms. The Rio pools, at the time, were genuine hot spots, and occasionally you could look up from the pool and see some couples doing James Bond silhouette stuff against the windows of the rooms facing the pool.

    I stayed in the Rio about once a year for the next decade or so. The buffet was, I believe, the first mega-buffet in Las Vegas.

    I remember being offended when Harrah's wouldn't comp me a burger and fries for a 5K-and-change wager, so I pulled a Todd. Still standing at the window, I requested a refund (you can do that) due to "my error." I then went to the Rio, with identical numbers, and got the buffet comped for the same wager.

    My late friend, Johnny Mucha, and I stayed there a few times. The sports book manager, after they were CET, clued me in to some inner workings of the limits and comps for CET properties. That info was not public knowledge. Over the years, the place wore out. They wound up getting Legionnaires Disease (or something similar) a couple of times, which is usually a plumbing problem. The air quality got worse as they cheaped the running of the air purifying system.

    I hope they get it together and make a comeback. The rooftop nightclub was one of the few in LV that catered to an older crowd.
    I lost my money in a Casino session years ago and the bar wouldn't even give me a free soda. WTF. :/
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  19. #19
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Wouldn't have guessed Mandalay Bay was on the list. Just seems like a random MGM property to me.
    I think this is where the power of having a long established customer base comes in.

    Even tho its not the best location having a large customer base that gets regular comped room & other offers ensures they will always have at least a minimum amount of people staying & playing there,

    Same with Rio when it was a Caesars property.

    Plus MB because it’s a little nicer than some of the run down properties probably gets a good amount of non comped repeat business just from people who like & are familiar with the property.

    But it’s what FB & the new owners of the Rio are missing, large existing customer base.
    You've been correct with just about everything you've been saying regarding viability of Vegas properties (in this and another thread), but to be fair, Rio was a ghost town under Caesars, as well. The only exception was during WSOP time, when it ran there.
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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    I left that part out because it wasn't important. I called security and they brought me keys after checking my ID to make sure I was legitimately supposed to have them. Had to stand 15 minutes and wait for them, but whatever.

    I stayed in the Rio when it first "soft opened" and everything was brand spanking new. The soft opening window was really very cheap considering the size of the rooms. The Rio pools, at the time, were genuine hot spots, and occasionally you could look up from the pool and see some couples doing James Bond silhouette stuff against the windows of the rooms facing the pool.

    I stayed in the Rio about once a year for the next decade or so. The buffet was, I believe, the first mega-buffet in Las Vegas.

    I remember being offended when Harrah's wouldn't comp me a burger and fries for a 5K-and-change wager, so I pulled a Todd. Still standing at the window, I requested a refund (you can do that) due to "my error." I then went to the Rio, with identical numbers, and got the buffet comped for the same wager.

    My late friend, Johnny Mucha, and I stayed there a few times. The sports book manager, after they were CET, clued me in to some inner workings of the limits and comps for CET properties. That info was not public knowledge. Over the years, the place wore out. They wound up getting Legionnaires Disease (or something similar) a couple of times, which is usually a plumbing problem. The air quality got worse as they cheaped the running of the air purifying system.

    I hope they get it together and make a comeback. The rooftop nightclub was one of the few in LV that catered to an older crowd.
    I lost my money in a Casino session years ago and the bar wouldn't even give me a free soda. WTF. :/
    You have to be playing when you order your drink to get it comped.

    Otherwise the casino might think you are a grifter that’s just trying get a free soda out of them ;-)

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