MGM properties are revoking Noir status and freeplay from perceived advantage players

[The Boz]

Come soon…..a huge rant by the losing video game kid without a car saying how they can’t stop him because the greatest of all time. Along with some random threats toward MGM and a few racial slurs thrown in for good measure.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

There are less and less reasons to go to Vegas these days.

[coach belly]

There are less and less reasons to go to Vegas these days.

Over 40 million visitors in 2023. As of August 2024, Las Vegas tourism statistics indicate that 2024 is on track to be a record-breaking year.

Everything isn't for everybody, no point projecting your preferences.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

There are less and less reasons to go to Vegas these days.

Over 40 million visitors in 2023. As of August 2024, Las Vegas tourism statistics indicate that 2024 is on track to be a record-breaking year.

Everything isn't for everybody, no point projecting your preferences.

Are those individual visitors or "total" visitors?

If one person is staying in 10 rooms on a weekend collecting comps, is that counted as 1 visitor or 10?

[coach belly]

Are those individual visitors or "total" visitors?

IDK. Would you believe what you won't accept?

Let's try this...whatever the criteria, the measurement is the same year-to-year.

[MisterV]

The one world class vacation spot dedicated to hope, greed, excess and "sin:" that's what Ma and Pa Kettel want.

[coach belly]

The one world class vacation spot dedicated to hope, greed, excess and "sin:"

Geez I hope there's more than one.

[Dan Druff]

There are less and less reasons to go to Vegas these days.

Over 40 million visitors in 2023. As of August 2024, Las Vegas tourism statistics indicate that 2024 is on track to be a record-breaking year.

Everything isn't for everybody, no point projecting your preferences.

Unfortunately for the smart tourist, Vegas has mostly figured out the formula to massive profits and high visitation rates.

For many years, Vegas was a great budget vacation destination. Rooms were cheap, shows were cheap, food was cheap... all subsidized by ploppy gamblers. This was during the mob days.

In the 1990s, the corporations came in and displaced the mob. Their bean counters realized two things -- that the low-spending tourist shouldn't be given a highly subsidized vacation, and that more people would visit Vegas if it became more family friendly. So megaresorts were built, and the city was rebranded as a great destination for families. At this point, restaurants got more expensive, shows became more expensive, and room prices also started to go up.

In the 2000s, Vegas decided there was more money in conventions and nightlife than family vacations, so the family element was transitioned out, and they went with the "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". It was also realized that Vegas tourist gamblers had gotten much dumber. Through the 1990s, the typical Vegas gambler was knowledgeable enough to refuse horrible variants such as 6:5 blackjack and poor paytable video poker. In the 2000s, this was no longer true, and most people who gambled barely knew the rules, let alone the expected payouts and odds. This unfortunately began a major evolution in Vegas regarding fucking the tourist, and by extension, becoming more difficult for APs.

Since then, Vegas has tinkered with various nickel and diming, and is basically charging whatever people will tolerate. They realize they will lose lower-budget tourists, odds-aware basic strategy type players, and those who hate fees, but they figure that these type of tourists aren't bringing them a lot of profit anyway. This has allowed Vegas to fill up their hotels and casinos with clueless ploppies who have no shot.

This recent action is part of an effort by casinos to do away with a side effect of the progressive value type slots, which are hugely popular in the 2020s. This side effect involves the APs and pseudo-APs sucking up all the good states of the machines, and causing the ploppies to lose at rates higher than what the casino wants. It's less of an assault on APs, and more of an attempt to keep the ploppies losing their money at the desired and carefully researched rates.

It's all part of the overall plan to make Vegas about entertainment, and not serious gambling. That is, even the gambling has become entertainment, and only those who don't know the odds are the ones they want to see playing.

This not only runs out the APs, but also the more aware non-APs.

Sad!

[coach belly]

fucking the tourist

Must be fucking them easy, or else they'd be losing visitors instead of gaining them.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Are those individual visitors or "total" visitors?

IDK. Would you believe what you won't accept?

Let's try this...whatever the criteria, the measurement is the same year-to-year.

well, no.... it is a massive difference.

If they are individual people who enter the state, vs the same person visiting 20 total hotels with comped rooms bonus whoring comps, every month, that person will rack up 240 "visits" in a single year. So is that AP's visits counted as 1 or 240? That will completely change the 40,000,000 visitors figure.

[Rob.Singer]

Crazy descriptions. It's not difficult to understand the how & why of LV. All this brainiac-driven interpretation is better fit for the movies.

Macau and Singapore casinos are experiencing record-breaking tourists and revenue numbers, and there's triple-digit daily entry fees to get into the casinos in Singapore.

[coach belly]

That will completely change the 40,000,000 visitors figure.

Doesn't matter when comparing year-to-year visitors, whatever criteria they use applies to all years.

Sounds like you're one of those "it's one big session" guys, as if your first or last visit of the year are the only one that counts.

But the attendance figures at ballgames don't suffer if the stadium is sold out with season ticket holders who attend every game.

[DGenBen]

fucking the tourist

Must be fucking them easy, or else they'd be losing visitors instead of gaining them.

They use a lot of lube, that’s why the tourists don’t mind it so much.

[MisterV]

Formula One will be descending on Sin City again soon...the biggest money-maker of the year.

[coach belly]

Formula One will be descending on Sin City again soon...the biggest money-maker of the year.

They inflate the total number of laps, because it's the same 20 drivers running each lap.

[coach belly]

They use a lot of lube

Tewlj called...he won't post anymore but expressed that you're quite the sweet-talker.

[Rob.Singer]

They use a lot of lube

Tewlj called...he won't post anymore but expressed that you're quite the sweet-talker.

This time let's be more neighborly by helping him keep his word not to return.

I just had someone send him a Hezbollah pager.

[accountinquestion]

Didn't he say that last year they welded down his favorite manhole for safety reasons?

[jdog]

What Druff said makes sense. It's transitioned from a gambling destination to a tourist destination to a nightlife destination. A third of Vegas' visitors come from SoCal where they are already comfortable with paying ridiculous cover charges and $20 a drink at clubs.

Another factor could be lower airfares. I remember going to Vegas in the 90s and my flights were 2-3X what I'm spending now, even in 90s money. So the city is more accessible than ever before, even to those not very interested in gaming.

[AxelWolf]

I can fly between Seattle and Vegas for $50.

Obviously that's with no baggage or doggy.