Worths-while?

[soxfan]

Let's say a cat come up with the way to capture and edge, buckin up against the dices table. Let's say the style is good for +1 unit nets profit per hour, assuming competent crew and the reasonably busy dices table. Would that be the worths-while advantaged play or is the edge too slim, hey hey?

[MisterV]

I'm no AP nor a math whiz but I've lurked enough to hazard a guess.

If in fact you can demonstrate that you somehow do have a mathematical edge then sure, it's an AP, and the best way to take advantage of it would be to scale up your bet size.

As a roller of dem bones I'd be interested in knowing what play you discovered, if you don't mind sharing.

[soxfan]

Just want to add that this is a strict, bets-flat proposition so no wild progression or bets-spread ramps-up necessary, hey hey.

[soxfan]

I'm no AP nor a math whiz but I've lurked enough to hazard a guess.

If in fact you can demonstrate that you somehow do have a mathematical edge then sure, it's an AP, and the best way to take advantage of it would be to scale up your bet size.

As a roller of dem bones I'd be interested in knowing what play you discovered, if you don't mind sharing.

I ain't done enough testings, yet. Thus far I test the style buckin up against the Zumma dices testings book, and that's about 300 hour of tables time, hey hey.

[coach belly]

Let's say a cat come up with the way to capture and edge, buckin up against the dices table. Let's say the style is good for +1 unit nets profit per hour, assuming competent crew and the reasonably busy dices table. Would that be the worths-while advantaged play or is the edge too slim, hey hey?

You should contact The Lid about this...he knows everythings about the craps.

PM Barney, hes cans hooks youse ups.

[niren736]

Profit on small amounts of money added together grow even if the edge is consistent, they grow FAST. Assuming you really want to continue doing this, I’d definitely work on it, but I’d test and refine it some more to make sure it’s worth sticking with.

[Don Perignom]

This scenario describes an interesting advantage play scenario in a casino setting, likely involving craps (dice game), with a slim but consistent edge of +1 unit net profit per hour. Let's break it down:

Key Considerations:

1. Edge Consistency: A steady +1 unit profit per hour is significant in gambling. The edge might seem slim, but over time, it translates to a consistent positive expected value (EV), which is the hallmark of good advantage play.

2. Bankroll Management: The viability of the strategy depends on the relationship between the profit margin and the variance (risk). In craps, swings can be dramatic due to the nature of the bets. A slim edge would require a solid bankroll to withstand potential variance while realizing the long-term profit.

3. Practical Time Investment: Earning +1 unit per hour means the play is slow and steady. If you’re dedicating hours to this, you need to weigh whether the return on time invested is worthwhile compared to other opportunities.

4. Sustainability: Casinos actively look for advantage players, especially in games with edges against the house. Even if your strategy avoids overt detection (e.g., card counting or dice sliding), casino personnel may eventually notice patterns. Ensuring your play stays under the radar is critical.

5. Unit Size and Scaling: The worthiness of this strategy heavily depends on the unit size. If the unit is $5, that’s a modest $5/hour. If the unit is $100, it’s a significant $100/hour, making the play far more worthwhile.

6. Crew Dynamics: If a "crew" is involved, the logistics and potential for shared profits dilute the individual benefit. Coordination, trust, and a cut of profits can make a slim edge less lucrative.

Is it Worthwhile?

Yes: If the unit size is large enough to justify the time and bankroll required, and the risk of detection or barring from the casino is minimal.

No: If the unit size is small, the time investment is substantial, or there’s a high risk of the casino catching on.

Final Word, Hey Hey?

A steady edge, even slim, is gold in gambling, provided the math supports it and you can manage the associated risks. Just remember, the game isn’t just against the dice—it’s against the house, the clock, and sometimes, your patience. So buckle up, cat, and keep those moves smooth and unseen!

[AxelWolf]

I'm no AP nor a math whiz but I've lurked enough to hazard a guess.

If in fact you can demonstrate that you somehow do have a mathematical edge then sure, it's an AP, and the best way to take advantage of it would be to scale up your bet size.

As a roller of dem bones I'd be interested in knowing what play you discovered, if you don't mind sharing.

I ain't done enough testings, yet. Thus far I test the style buckin up against the Zumma dices testings book, and that's about 300 hour of tables time, hey hey.

Okay, I'll bite.

Where is this Advantage coming from? Is it via promotions, DI, biased dice, or something not standard on most craps tables?

[soxfan]

This scenario describes an interesting advantage play scenario in a casino setting, likely involving craps (dice game), with a slim but consistent edge of +1 unit net profit per hour. Let's break it down:

Key Considerations:

1. Edge Consistency: A steady +1 unit profit per hour is significant in gambling. The edge might seem slim, but over time, it translates to a consistent positive expected value (EV), which is the hallmark of good advantage play.

2. Bankroll Management: The viability of the strategy depends on the relationship between the profit margin and the variance (risk). In craps, swings can be dramatic due to the nature of the bets. A slim edge would require a solid bankroll to withstand potential variance while realizing the long-term profit.

3. Practical Time Investment: Earning +1 unit per hour means the play is slow and steady. If you’re dedicating hours to this, you need to weigh whether the return on time invested is worthwhile compared to other opportunities.

4. Sustainability: Casinos actively look for advantage players, especially in games with edges against the house. Even if your strategy avoids overt detection (e.g., card counting or dice sliding), casino personnel may eventually notice patterns. Ensuring your play stays under the radar is critical.

5. Unit Size and Scaling: The worthiness of this strategy heavily depends on the unit size. If the unit is $5, that’s a modest $5/hour. If the unit is $100, it’s a significant $100/hour, making the play far more worthwhile.

6. Crew Dynamics: If a "crew" is involved, the logistics and potential for shared profits dilute the individual benefit. Coordination, trust, and a cut of profits can make a slim edge less lucrative.

Is it Worthwhile?

Yes: If the unit size is large enough to justify the time and bankroll required, and the risk of detection or barring from the casino is minimal.

No: If the unit size is small, the time investment is substantial, or there’s a high risk of the casino catching on.

Final Word, Hey Hey?

A steady edge, even slim, is gold in gambling, provided the math supports it and you can manage the associated risks. Just remember, the game isn’t just against the dice—it’s against the house, the clock, and sometimes, your patience. So buckle up, cat, and keep those moves smooth and unseen!

Thanks for the response. As far as risk/variance is concerned so far the style buck up against the worst case down-draw of -72 unit. So figure a 200 units banks-roll would suffice and maybe use the Kelly style stakings plan to minimize risk and maximize profits, hey hey.

[soxfan]

Dice and baccarats might be the slim edge, but you ain't got to spend time scouting for them. The edge at dice/baccarats is always there 24/7 unlike other plays with the fat edge what might only be around for the shorts time and you have to burn through them quick, hey hey.

[MisterV]

The edge at dice/baccarats is always there 24/7

Please explain the play; otherwise your claim is as helpful as shit on a plow handle.

[soxfan]

The edge at dice/baccarats is always there 24/7

Please explain the play; otherwise your claim is as helpful as shit on a plow handle.

I already said I need to do more testings. Now, why don't you get yer bitch-boy, best buddy and lifes long pal, the kewl-fraud to pony up and back up JUST ONE OF his talls tale and bulls-shits claim, hey hey!!??

[MisterV]

Now, why don't you get yer bitch-boy, best buddy and lifes long pal, the kewl-fraud to pony up and back up JUST ONE OF his talls tale and bulls-shits claim, hey hey!!??

Oh, I get it...you're playing the old "Do as I say, not as I do game."

You don't HAVE to "do more testings," soxfan...you could simply tell us now about the play, flawed or not.

Why did you start this thread otherwise?

Oh wait...are YOU a card carrying ATTENTION WHORE?

Put up or shut up.

[soxfan]

Now, why don't you get yer bitch-boy, best buddy and lifes long pal, the kewl-fraud to pony up and back up JUST ONE OF his talls tale and bulls-shits claim, hey hey!!??

Oh, I get it...you're playing the old "Do as I say, not as I do game."

You don't HAVE to "do more testings," soxfan...you could simply tell us now about the play, flawed or not.

Why did you start this thread otherwise?

Oh wait...are YOU a card carrying ATTENTION WHORE?

Put up or shut up.

Nope, unlike yer bitch-boy pal, kewl-fraud, I've said I'll pony up and prove my baccarats style, so long as cats pony up some cake and come at me with legit, live dealt baccarats result, hey hey.

[soxfan]

The other good thing about ap'ing baccarats and dices is that joints think they are un-beatable propositions so yer gonna get plenty of longevities, hey hey.

[MisterV]

I'll pony up and prove my baccarats style, so long as cats pony up some cake and come at me with legit, live dealt baccarats result, hey hey.

Bwa ha ha ha...as if...

[kewlJ]

The other good thing about ap'ing baccarats and dices is that joints think they are un-beatable propositions so yer gonna get plenty of longevities, hey hey.

Anyone familiar with GF is now getting a glimps of what Soxfan is all about.

He has winning systems for baccarat, craps (dice influence) and roulette. All the usual gambling system nonsense, except he is on steroids. THAT is who we are dealing with here.

[MisterV]

Yeah, he's fallen into the rabbit hole, opting for bullshitting as opposed to straight talk.

So sad...he could have been a contender, instead...

[soxfan]

The other good thing about ap'ing baccarats and dices is that joints think they are un-beatable propositions so yer gonna get plenty of longevities, hey hey.

Anyone familiar with GF is now getting a glimps of what Soxfan is all about.

He has winning systems for baccarat, craps (dice influence) and roulette. All the usual gambling system nonsense, except he is on steroids. THAT is who we are dealing with here.

Wrong again, kewl-fraud, I've always said, maintain that you can't get an edge at roulettes cuz it's the balanced proposition, hey hey.