The Official Arci - Singer Kid's Table

[arcimede$]

I doubt we'll be hearing from jatki again. His goose is cooked, the jig is up, the fat lady has sung, they're rolling up the carpet ... need I go on?

Spock dealt the final death blow.

[jatki]

Arc, if you've been so sure then why keep trying to convince yourself?

You may have missed it but I'll remind you as a courtesy. All I've seen is the truth from Alan, saying Singer and I share nothing in common. That's right, ignore that because it doesn't fit the scenario. Amazing. But now we have a misspelled word and me not remembering I met with Rob long ago, as proof? Sounds like age, on both sides.

As has been said, all arc's looking for is how to fill in all his down time because what he's going through, and a big part of that was coming up with this false story about me that he knew would take a while to slow down. Anything to take the heat off of him being a liar for the stories he made up about his arch enemy. Keep feeding the troll.

[redietz]

That must be it. You met with Rob, after waiting for him to get out of the movies, and spent four hours with him, and then reported the glorious details here. And then...forgot all about it. Makes complete sense. Yes. That's the ticket.

Or wait -- maybe you dreamed you met him. That seems more plausible. He is, after all, a heroic person who you admire. So maybe it was all a dream -- that you reported here.

Or maybe it was a near-death hallucination. The desert heat had gotten to you and, suddenly, Rob appeared from the depths of a movie theater. Later, you reported your meeting with the hallucination here, but then -- weeks later -- you remembered that it wasn't real, so you (truthfully) said you had never met Rob.

Yes, that's the ticket.

[arcimede$]

redietz, I think your on to something. Another possibility is fast onset dementia. After remembering all about their meeting for a full 4 years, he must have developed a dementia inducing viral infection that destroyed all of his memories in just 2 weeks.

Let's all hope he has a full recovery.

[jatki]

Redetz, what's your beef in this? You know you're just helping the guy fill in his time.

Arc, I called Rob a few moments ago and was telling him how you're still into your fantasy about this, but he cut me off and said he didn't care because he already knows you're motivated by conflict. He reminded me about how even if your lying had him & Cindy living in a tent penniless, without soap or toilet paper and with frogs coming in and out as visitors, the reason he says you won't address his stark truth point is only because that situation would be a million times more preferable than what you have going there. I'm biting my tongue when I say this, but his final input was "guess who wins again" after putting true reality into perspective. O and as for your expert knowledge on him being me, well he's in South Dakota now and has moved there as his RV home base. So since I'm in Furnace Creek Calif., please explain again how one would go about hacking into the internet for spoofing purposes, and who besides you would have the time to do that?

[arcimede$]

I think I can interpret this latest tirade.

While the jatki personality was in control the words "dead wood" emanated from somewhere nearby.

[Vegas_lover]

Arc, I called Rob a few moments ago and was telling him how you're still into your fantasy about this, but he cut me off and said he didn't care because he already knows you're motivated by conflict. He reminded me about how even if your lying had him & Cindy living in a tent penniless, without soap or toilet paper and with frogs coming in and out as visitors, the reason he says you won't address his stark truth point is only because that situation would be a million times more preferable than what you have going there. I'm biting my tongue when I say this, but his final input was "guess who wins again" after putting true reality into perspective. O and as for your expert knowledge on him being me, well he's in South Dakota now and has moved there as his RV home base. So since I'm in Furnace Creek Calif., please explain again how one would go about hacking into the internet for spoofing purposes, and who besides you would have the time to do that?

If you're Singer or not doesn't mean a damn thing to me. BUT it's very clear your motives for contributing to this whole Arci-Singer discussion aren't nearly as noble as you would like everybody to believe. A large portion of what you have been saying about Rob is far from the truth. Again, Arci is far from a saint but my opinion remains that Rob's insults directed at Arci or basically anybody who has the guts to disagree with him have been way worse than anything Arci has said about Singer. The only thing Singer has been doing is throwing insults at you as soon as you disagree with him or he'll pull the good old "envy-card" again.

It surprises me that you demand proof for every claim Arci makes while at the same time you don't demand any proof from Singer. What you claim to be proof to you (the video of the 4000+ square foot house) doesn't mean anything to most of us. But on the other hand, the info Arci found about Singer's housing situation means nothing to you BUT this information does come out of public records. Now that's what I would call "interesting". Singer doesn't share the truth but just states Arci is full of it. Again: red flags. Singer made the choice to become a public figure so Singer should realize his every move is under a microscope. That's the consequence.....

Arci's responses about Singer's strategy have had substance until a certain point, Singer on the other hand provided nothing but controversy. Arci's remarks have been consistant from a mathematical point of view (except for the discussion about live poker and the skill factor involved). Singer's contributions have been far from consistent (except for his constant disgusting remarks about Arci's wife's condition).

Your statements have been far from consistent as well. You claim Arci's world revolves around Singer and Singer doesn't care about all this bickering. I would call that pretty ignorant simply because of the fact that Singer's post count is very close to Arci's. So if Arci is jumping out of bed every day to jump behind his computer to fill his day with his crusade against Singer, Singer must have been doing exactly the same. Singer claims it doesn't bother him at all. For a man who's on the road that much and enjoys walks with his wife so much and enjoys dinners with his wife so much, he sure is behind a computer a lot of time to devote all of his attention to Arci. And the fact that Singer says he makes these disgusting remarks about the health situation of Arci's wife out of pure fun, makes him a disgusting person in my book. And even more flattering for him is the fact that he's so humble both of his shoulders must be black and blue from patting himself on the back all day, every day.

For somebody who hardly knows Singer at all and can't even remember meeting him, you kinda know a lot about him in a short period of time. You talk on the phone, exchange info on his whereabouts, etc. Suddenly you appear to be his "best friend". That raises a lot of red flags and makes you look questionable.

And I fully agree with Arci & Redietz on another point. Your behavior and language doesn't resemble the jatki99 form LVA at all. Another red flag. I don't know all the details and I don't care to know all the details but I do know this whole thing smells fishy!

[jatki]

If you're Singer or not doesn't mean a damn thing to me. BUT it's very clear your motives for contributing to this whole Arci-Singer discussion aren't nearly as noble as you would like everybody to believe. A large portion of what you have been saying about Rob is far from the truth. Again, Arci is far from a saint but my opinion remains that Rob's insults directed at Arci or basically anybody who has the guts to disagree with him have been way worse than anything Arci has said about Singer. The only thing Singer has been doing is throwing insults at you as soon as you disagree with him or he'll pull the good old "envy-card" again.

It surprises me that you demand proof for every claim Arci makes while at the same time you don't demand any proof from Singer. What you claim to be proof to you (the video of the 4000+ square foot house) doesn't mean anything to most of us. But on the other hand, the info Arci found about Singer's housing situation means nothing to you BUT this information does come out of public records. Now that's what I would call "interesting". Singer doesn't share the truth but just states Arci is full of it. Again: red flags. Singer made the choice to become a public figure so Singer should realize his every move is under a microscope. That's the consequence.....

Arci's responses about Singer's strategy have had substance until a certain point, Singer on the other hand provided nothing but controversy. Arci's remarks have been consistant from a mathematical point of view (except for the discussion about live poker and the skill factor involved). Singer's contributions have been far from consistent (except for his constant disgusting remarks about Arci's wife's condition).

Your statements have been far from consistent as well. You claim Arci's world revolves around Singer and Singer doesn't care about all this bickering. I would call that pretty ignorant simply because of the fact that Singer's post count is very close to Arci's. So if Arci is jumping out of bed every day to jump behind his computer to fill his day with his crusade against Singer, Singer must have been doing exactly the same. Singer claims it doesn't bother him at all. For a man who's on the road that much and enjoys walks with his wife so much and enjoys dinners with his wife so much, he sure is behind a computer a lot of time to devote all of his attention to Arci. And the fact that Singer says he makes these disgusting remarks about the health situation of Arci's wife out of pure fun, makes him a disgusting person in my book. And even more flattering for him is the fact that he's so humble both of his shoulders must be black and blue from patting himself on the back all day, every day.

For somebody who hardly knows Singer at all and can't even remember meeting him, you kinda know a lot about him in a short period of time. You talk on the phone, exchange info on his whereabouts, etc. Suddenly you appear to be his "best friend". That raises a lot of red flags and makes you look questionable.

And I fully agree with Arci & Redietz on another point. Your behavior and language doesn't resemble the jatki99 form LVA at all. Another red flag. I don't know all the details and I don't care to know all the details but I do know this whole thing smells fishy!

This all roots in my showing arc to be a double liar over his claim that Rob makes his students use his card during training, then saying Rob admitted to it. As a former student I know what he does and I said it, and as a forum reader I know what he admitted to and I said that too. Arc didn't like being called out. That's all. He's been tryin to control the damage ever since. You don't think he was buring mad for getting caught? Who bothers looking up personal info and then spins lies out of it on anyone unless they've been outed like arc was?

The house video was seen by everyone who got the newsletters, including arc. No way someone so psychotic about Rob would ever miss one beat of what he had to say about himself, and Singer did a lot of it. He clearly explained how he rented apartments for his kids and their families, partially because of his son was at war and before his daughter got married, but the main reason he said was because he was that public, very controversial figure and never wanted to give his real home address out to the slot clubs. So guess which addresses he used on his license? Yeah, just like I use a rental address on mine and that's what gets picked up by those snoop sites. He even took us over to one of them to p/u his mail to see his offers one time. Today Rob told me arc has always led such a sheltered life that he wouldn't know the ropes around the self checkout line in the grocery stores, let alone how to keep critics safely away.

I've already said I don't care for the personal attacks and I said why. I'm not Singer and I'd never do that. Alan disagrees with arc too and gets constantly insulted for it. Where's your fairness?

I think Singer has been here much longer than arc because that's the way it is everywhere. Arc looks for the guy just so he can argue, or fill in time as Rob says. I don't see anything odd about how many things Singer does. I've mostly see Rob say that he mocks the arc health situation to goad him into going over the edge like he recently did. That's these guy's main goal on forums, don't you know that?

I don't know Singer very well at all, and it showed by not remembering that he trained me once until the gotcha crew came on. But the guy is very accessible and isn't afraid to give his cell # out. I was very surprised he gave his address to my friends in Phoenix, but he did meet with them several times before that. That doesn't make me his best friend at all, although I wouldn't mind since I have no friends.

I'm not jatki99 on LV A, although I've seen it. Who started that? I've been staying with my daughter after her divorce in this hellhole of a place, and her name is Julie. Her married last name is Atkinson, and since she plays videopoker and thought she might want to post with me (thank god she never has) I let her come up with the username. Sometimes you have to ask first instead of letting agendas guide you.

[redietz]

So Singer explained to you that he rents apartments because he's such a public and controversial figure? To hide his true address? And he tells you this even though you two don't talk very much? And he's public because of the Gaming Today column? Or was he a "Magic Rob" at one of the strip joints?

Yowza --

Alan, I notice you've been very quiet lately. Have you applied those skills from a lifetime in journalism to this storyline?

[Alan Mendelson]

I have been sitting on the sidelines intentionally. I really don't want to get involved for several reasons:

1. I have no axe to grind against anyone. Not Arc, not Jatki, not Singer, not redietz, and so on.
2. I don't care if people post with multiple identities, after all it's an anonymous forum and it's free and it just makes no difference if you call yourself Apple one day and Tomato the next.
3. I do have knowledge of the IP addresses that people post with, and register on the forum with, but I am keeping it to myself because I use the IP addresses to keep the "dangerous" posters out. And by "dangerous" I mean the spammers, those who want to steal personal info (thankfully we don't have that here), those who want to hack the site, and that those who want to post advertisements that might lead to unlawful activities, and that kind of stuff.
4. I keep confidential information confidential. And I keep my word.

Besides five or six people who care about this, who else would or should care?

I spoke with Rob today and he confirmed that sometime in October he expects to make his lengthy post explaining more about his system. Why don't we all just sit back and wait for it?

About jatki? I welcome his participation. I don't think he is RS. I suspected all along that they know each other, and I think jatki tried to cover that up perhaps so that he could appear to be an "independent" party who supports Rob. It doesn't matter to me that he knows Rob and it shouldn't matter to anyone else, either. For all I know they spent evenings together talking about VP and then fed each other phrases to post. After all, what's the difference doing that -- being on the phone with another forum member and discussing your posts? Heck, I've been doing it for years on various forums with various members.

Did Rob live in a big house with a big garage? Does it make a difference? Arc seems to think it does because it is an issue with credibility. Well I don't care. I've spent 25 years in LA dealing with people who put on a show 24/7/365 as part of their business. There is a lot of "show" in show business. Besides, if it turned out he didn't own a big house it also means he didn't get clobbered in the real estate crash and he probably is better off for it. Me? I haven't owned a house since 2001 and I thank my lucky stars that I didn't buy another house since I sold that one 11 years ago. Anyone who has owned a house in the past decade got kicked in the butt.

What really matters to me is this: does Rob's system have any value to me as a recreational player? I think I've answered that, but here goes one more time:

1. I like the idea of win/loss goals and limits.
2. I understand how increasing denominations can help you reach a win goal payoff, but I don't do that myself.
3. I understand how some of the "special plays" can work but I don't use them with the exception of a couple in TDB when three aces are dealt, and yes once playing 8/5 Bonus when dealt a full house with three aces I held only the three aces and got the quads for $2,000. But I only did it once and I'm batting 1000 on that single "special play."
4. I don't think Rob conned anybody and like other gaming authors he has a strategy that you might not agree with. I also reject now the idea that "dice influencing" or "dice control" is something that "anybody" can learn if they paid to take the courses, but I wouldn't call the "Dice influencing" or "Dice controlling" crowd con men either.
5. I hope everyone has spell check activated so they spell thief correctly.

[redietz]

So you don't mind if I rustle up a dozen identities and promote myself? Fair enough.

[arcimede$]

So let me get this straight ... jatki really is a person but all he is doing is repeating what Singer tells him to say.

Possible, it's the content of jatki's comment that gave away the fact that he was Singer. It certainly could be he is just a vessel through which Singer is funneling his comments. Makes no difference. Same lies. Same narcissistic behavior.

Now, one does wonder about jatki if he's a real person. There is no doubt Singer has been lying about his past. Why would anyone with half a brain not realize they have been deceived? Why would they continue to follow a proven liar?

[Alan Mendelson]

So you don't mind if I rustle up a dozen identities and promote myself? Fair enough.

If that makes you happy, be my guest.

[Alan Mendelson]

Why would anyone with half a brain not realize they have been deceived? Why would they continue to follow a proven liar?

Perhaps they don't share the opinion you share, Arc.

[jatki]

So Singer explained to you that he rents apartments because he's such a public and controversial figure? To hide his true address? And he tells you this even though you two don't talk very much?

Red, he's explained it to everyone who read his newsletters, more than once, and he reiterrated it again to me today. It made huge sense because he pisses so many people off all the time, especially on LV A sports, not the nicest bunch on earth by the way. If you did that and played at probably every casino in Nevada while having a card, would you really want to give all those slot clublings your real address? I remember Gaming Today posted his picture with every article. That's public.

[jatki]

It certainly could be he is just a vessel through which Singer is funneling his comments.

That's very interesting arc because I remember a poster named rolingdude on videopoker.com who you constantly accused of being Singer because he disagreed with you, even after he posted videos of himself playing a piano if I'm remembering correctly. Then when the rest of the forum started to accept he was telling the truth and realized you were only on another Singer witch hunt, you changed the game by claiming Rolingdude was only posting what Singer fed him, just because you needed to control the damage you already did to yourself again. It was unforgettable because you looked like such a stooge. Congratulations. Deja vu all over again.

[redietz]

You know, jatki, I read most of Rob's articles in Gaming Today. I spent 90-100 days a year in Las Vegas for 35 years. Rob was not what you would call high profile. In fact, I know people who are higher profile than Rob -- quite a few people. Nobody rents apartments to hide their home addresses.

Now frankly, I don't care if Rob lived under a bridge. I really don't. Arguments stand on their own merits. But don't try to feed me this line of nonsense.

I'm glad you two are now having regular conversations. I have to admit -- it does perplex me how one can speak with someone regularly but not remember actually meeting them. If I actually know someone, I know if I've met them.

Tell you what, let's take a poll. Is there anyone else out there who has regular conversations with someone, but occasionally forgets whether they've met them? Let's have a show of hands. Alan, you're up first.

[Alan Mendelson]

redietz, this is what I posted before about this: I suspected all along that they know each other, and I think jatki tried to cover that up perhaps so that he could appear to be an "independent" party who supports Rob.

I still think that is what happened. It happens all the time, and it's a "human thing to do" and certainly understandable in an environment like this.

What is not understandable is why the heck all of you are making such a big deal of this whole thing? Nothing good on TV?

[redietz]

The credibility of the forum just went to hell. The situation would be the opposite of what you're posing Alan -- jatki initially detailed meeting Rob and the training session. Later he denied having met him.

No -- I'm sure there's plenty on television. Arci and Spock slam-dunked this. There's no sense posting anything of value here if half the content is aliases just making s**t up. And that's what this appears to be.

So, in the interests of free speech, I'll limit my posting to a daily warning that much of the content appears to be non-factual and the forum may be rife with a bunch of self-promoting aliases.

One last note; LVAdvice had a Singer disciple who posted and showed a photo of a royal he claimed to have won using Singer methodology. He lied about the when/where of the photo, which was proven, and he then was banned -- basically because his content was bulls**t. Since then -- no Singer disciples of any kind. Very curious.

[jatki]

You know, jatki, I read most of Rob's articles in Gaming Today. I spent 90-100 days a year in Las Vegas for 35 years. Rob was not what you would call high profile. In fact, I know people who are higher profile than Rob -- quite a few people. Nobody rents apartments to hide their home addresses.

Now frankly, I don't care if Rob lived under a bridge. I really don't. Arguments stand on their own merits. But don't try to feed me this line of nonsense.

I'm glad you two are now having regular conversations. I have to admit -- it does perplex me how one can speak with someone regularly but not remember actually meeting them. If I actually know someone, I know if I've met them.

Tell you what, let's take a poll. Is there anyone else out there who has regular conversations with someone, but occasionally forgets whether they've met them? Let's have a show of hands. Alan, you're up first.

You seem reasonable Red, please read this. It should help in several questionable areas. I wasn't meaning that he got the apartments because of fame or whatever. That was the byproduct. I explained it in another thread and I should have made it clear here too I guess. I don't know Singer's profile status as far as the gaming industry, but he's definitely up there in videopoker, and there's definitely a lot of people who've threatened him on LV A and other forums for whatever that's worth. But that's not at all why he explained why he had the apartments. He got one for his daughter when she moved out, and one for his son's family for the years he spent fighting overseas, to be closer to him and his wife. I think young people all the time need help like that, don't you? He could handle it so he helped, and he chose to use those addresses on his license for secondary reasons stated. He said right here he now uses a PO box on his license and he doesn't even live in Nevada any more. Are PO boxes the sign of homelessness too?

With all due respect Red, you don't read well at times. Who has regular conversations with Rob? Not me. We talked extensively today, he's interesting and even fun to talk to. That's all there is though, the rest if from following him all these years. I know I had a senior moment when I said I hadn't met Rob but I was on a different line of thought. I'm 69. What's the big deal?

I saw what you said about the fake royal being posted on another forum. Is that Singer's fault, should he be blamed for every joker out there? How does one prove a royal is fake anyway? That's what I'm interested in.