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Thread: Who do you tip in a casino, casino/hotel/resort?

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    There is no question that this is controversial: who do you tip in casinos and at casino hotels/resorts and if you want to include how much or how little, that info would be helpful, too.

    Even some of the biggest professional poker players say they don't tip the dealers or staff if they finish in the money in poker tourneys because they feel the tournament fees should "cover" those workers. Other tournament players might argue that a 2% to a 5% tip might be appropriate.

    Do you tip on handpays at the slots?
    Do you tip dealers at the tables when you hit your numbers at roulette or craps?
    Do you tip when you have a blackjack?

    We've had these discussions before but let's put the discussion in one place.

    I will say there is no rule about tipping. It is a personal preference. So what's your preference?

    I'll start. I tip on handpays and I tip table dealers when I win. I tip when I finish in the money in poker tournaments. I think it's the right thing to do.

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    I tip table game dealers a white chip at a time, I try to tip about every 20 minutes unless I am really getting pounded at the table. This is $3 an hour. If everyone tipped this way the dealers would make between $15 and $20 per hour. I MIGHT give a $5 tip on a $1200+ hand pay, but at Rincon they have this silly rule where they hand pay on a $1000 25 cent royal flush. There is no reason to make this a hand pay and I do not tip as a result. I typically tip $1 per drink, but at Rincon a lot of the drinks are $4.25 so I just give them a $5 and call it a day.

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    I tip on handpays @ the slots. (I don't play the tables, but if I did, I would tip)
    I tip for bar service.
    I tip the hotel room maid.
    (And I tip the usual: skycaps, bellmen, doorman, concierge, etc.)

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by bigfoot66 View Post
    I tip table game dealers a white chip at a time, I try to tip about every 20 minutes unless I am really getting pounded at the table. This is $3 an hour.
    Unless you are winning, tipping the dealers $3 an hour is overly generous. I have never heard of any dealers expecting a tip when players aren't winning.
    Is your tip a "hand in" that goes directly into the dealers' tip box, or do you make a bet for the dealers?
    I've never heard of dealers having a preference. Sometimes I've seen a "hand in" that the dealers will use for a passline bet at craps, or they will put on "yo" or the hardway of the point if applicable.

    (I've never heard of a dealer use their toke money to buy one of Rob Singer's books.)

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    I tip all cocktail waitresses and waiters and in restaurants and bartenders and valet and bell hops. Don't use the concierge. I never thought about tipping the hotel maids but I probably will in the future. I don't tip at the BJ table and don't tip in live poker no matter if I win or not. I also do not tip hand pays or cashiers or anyone else on the floor who isn't serving me a drink. $1 per.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by jatki View Post
    I tip all cocktail waitresses and waiters and in restaurants and bartenders and valet and bell hops. Don't use the concierge. I never thought about tipping the hotel maids but I probably will in the future.
    Interesting. Why not hotel maids? How about if a room service meal is delivered to your room?

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    Originally Posted by jatki View Post
    I also do not tip hand pays or cashiers or anyone else on the floor who isn't serving me a drink. $1 per.
    Odd that you would tip someone who delivers you a watered down drink and not someone who delivers you a fist full of money. Let I'll hang up and listen.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Interesting. Why not hotel maids? How about if a room service meal is delivered to your room?
    I think it's because there's usually no direct contact with them, out of sight out of mind probably. But this thread did make me remember those envelopes that I sometimes see on the bedside tables. Never thought about them before this discussion.

    I tip for room service only if there is no Service Fee added on already, which seems like a slick moneygrabbing trick. I don't care where that fee goes. Just don't expect me to pay anything above that.

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    Originally Posted by Vegas Vic View Post
    Odd that you would tip someone who delivers you a watered down drink and not someone who delivers you a fist full of money. Let I'll hang up and listen.
    The free drink is requested by me so if it's hand delivered then a tip is appropriate. I'm really paying for that fist full of money, by the amount that I bet. It's not free, and I didn't ask for it. They could easily have a system that prints out tickets for these big jackpots, and you go to the cashier to cash them in whenever you want for your cash and tax form if appropriate. But no, they make a big deal about it on the floor with the expectation that you'll hand them some of your newly won cash while you're in a weakened state of euphoria. Intimidation efforts at every possible level.

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    jatki, I am amazed that you didn't tip hotel maids, nor that you didn't know this was customary and just now you are realizing what the envelopes are for?

    Some hotels do add on a "tip" to room service checks. Caesars added this a couple of years ago, and hotel policy is that the guests are told a gratuity is included. It wasn't always like that. When the gratuity was added to the checks, guests didn't notice the extra line on their bills and added their own gratuity -- double-tipping.

    There must have been complaints, because now guests are told about the added-gratuity both when they place their order and when the server delivers the order.

    But getting back to maid service, really? You didn't know that was customary? I will give you an "out" -- Europeans don't normally tip maids either.

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    I'm not what you'd call a truly experienced hotel dweller, unless you count Best Westerns and Motel 6's on the road. But I can honestly say those envelopes went right through the hole in my head.

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    Originally Posted by jatki View Post
    I'm not what you'd call a truly experienced hotel dweller, unless you count Best Westerns and Motel 6's on the road. But I can honestly say those envelopes went right through the hole in my head.
    The best candidates for becoming "True Believers" are those who lack the knowledge and experience to know better for themselves. Think about that as you worship Singer.

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    I don't really know what a True Believer is, but I do believe in a lot, but not all, of what Singer preaches. Doesn't the not all part exclude me from the True Believers club? Besides, I only look to him for advice and information when it comes to the gambling and casino things. At least when I try to learn I have a few factual pieces of information that I can understand and talk about. On the other thread, you've been throwing out some wild and uninformed assumptions that are only because you have little knowledge of what the strategy is, and you don't seem to listen very well. You're on radio right, where you do all the talking? Maybe that's why.

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    Jatki, first of all I'm on TV and radio.

    Secondly I know what goes into creating a cult, and what is involved into conscripting true believers.

    First, you appeal to those who feel cheated -- the "lost." What better audience is there but people who have gambled and lost in casinos?
    Second, you tell them that it's not their fault. Singer claims the games are not random. That gives you a justification for your own losses and gives you hope that he might have a solution.
    Third, the solution -- the Singer system -- or in his case, systems. Use whatever acronyms you want.
    Fourth, the proof. Whether or not Singer won a million dollars or not using his system doesn't matter. Having the W2Gs, having the newspaper column with the reports of the wins, adds "validity" to his claims about his system.
    Fifth, removing the challenges. Singer has made it difficult for anyone to challenge him. He requires big money stakes for a contest, he keeps his records in a storage unit locked away, the video poker machine that was tested he no longer has, he has spoken to slot machine engineers that no one else can speak to, he has knowledge of secret handshake deals but can't present the proof, and the ultimate block to a challenge is that his systems require tens of thousands of dollars ($57,000 isn't it) to test BUT ONLY if you first get trained by him in a system so complex that it has never been written down -- and I doubt ever can be.

    Talk about the perfect formula for roping in True Believers. There you have it.

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    You forgot something Alan in your rant. This guy who has such hi dollar challenges that no one, not even when his front page paper column challenged Dancer and Curtis and Fezzik and any and all LV ap's to pool together that he could win with his system, would supposedly be able to match up with him,,,,well, this same guy doesn't charge anyone anything for training or advice or meetings or even a cut of what they win at those training sessions.

    Something else you're hung up on and confused about, when he trained me we did so on 1c, 2c, 5c, 10c, 25c, $1 games because I couldn't hardly afford the big ticket, and I remember reading right here on your own forum where he said he tried and tried to get Frank to do the same thing on the same type of machines. But the challenges, if big shots are going to call him out then wouldn't it be prudent to offer to do it on the same denominations you've been playing? I think so.

    I think you'd make a good true believer someday, meaning the day you get some facts about the guy, understand them, and then see if they make sense to you, but only after understanding them which you really do not right now from what I'm seeing anyway.

    Another point is, I've been doing really well since using Singer's ideas as much as possible in my play. It is something to truly believe in when it works out that way, isn't it? You'd probably do even better than me because of you're card playing ability compared to mine.
    Last edited by jatki; 09-22-2012 at 10:25 AM.

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    Originally Posted by jatki View Post
    they make a big deal about it on the floor with the expectation that you'll hand them some of your newly won cash while you're in a weakened state of euphoria. Intimidation efforts at every possible level.

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    Vegas Vic, you didn't finish the byline, it should say I am fully protected from casino employees and their expectation that I just hand over my money to them for no apparent reason whatsoever, and anyone who doesn't can feel free to give their money away thinking they staved off those terrifying underbreath comments and dirty looks, and really do believe the service level, which amounts to nothing once you leave the place with empty or full pockets, has been enhanced because of tipping.

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    Originally Posted by jatki View Post
    I've been doing really well since using Singer's ideas as much as possible in my play.
    Guess what, Jatki. I've also been doing really well since I adopted the idea of quitting with win goals.

    Now, please be specific: what exactly are you doing, that you learned from Rob's various systems, that is making you a winner? Please, specifics.
    Is not tipping the floor people on a handpay one of those specifics? And just how many handpays are you getting playing on the "1c, 2c, 5c, 10c, 25c, $1 games" ??

    Now, where Rob's claims cannot be tested comes down to his specific use of "moving up in denominations" and "using special plays." Because what you seem to have missed, is that he is on the record saying he only uses his special plays 5% of the time. How does he know when to use a special play? Well, he can't tell us that. He says conditions vary.

    When does he move up in denominations? Oh, he tells you he has a formula based on playing so many credits and banking so much in soft profits. Yet, he has said this will also vary. The basic example is this: if he hits a royal at $1 he will never move up to $2 or $5 or $100 -- because the magical win goal of $2500 has been reached. Somewhere along the line you are going to realize that his overall strategy has so many variables to it, no one could possibly keep up with it. That's why we would like to see the whole thing written down. October is almost here.

    Now about challenging the "AP community" to put up their money? Really? Part of the problem with Rob's challenge -- and I think the APers know this -- is that the APers don't know exactly what the challenge is?

    If the challenge is that Rob can attain a $2500 win goal playing his various denominations starting at $1 and moving up to $100 if necessary, yes-- Rob can do that. Hitting a win goal of $2500 at just the $10 level only takes a minimal amount of luck.

    If the challenge is that over time, Rob's special plays if used 100% of the time will win more than "conventional strategy" there can be "no contest" because Rob doesn't use his special plays 100% of the time.

    And then there's the demand for a side bet to be put up in escrow in order for a challenge or contest to take place? Why? Winning the casino's money isn't enough? Showing that your "system" works and winning the casino's money aren't enough? Winning the casino's money, showing that your "system" works, and doing it in front of your harshest critics aren't enough? He has to demand a side bet too? Come on and get real!

    Rob should have jumped at the chance. I was ready to video tape the entire thing and I was ready to put it all over the Internet and even on TV. So why didn't he jump at the chance? Why did he have to have the "side bet?" Is it because he knew the side bet money was the "one extra condition" that would prevent the contest/challenge from actually taking place?

    Anyway, Rob has some good ideas -- and I always said he did. But I also find fault with some of the things he says and some of the things he does.

    I find fault with chasing losses up to $35,000. I find fault with authoring a system but not using it 100% of the time. I certainly don't find fault with his win goals, and even some of his special plays make sense. But I will always fault him for his personal attacks which are always uncalled for.

    But getting back to my question: what exactly are you doing, that you learned from Rob's various systems, that is making you a winner? Please, specifics.

  19. #19
    $3 an hour is a fair amount to tip, but I tip win lose or draw, and I do not feel compelled to tip on a big win. Even if I won a million bucks I can't imagine myself tipping more than $100, and on a handpay I might tip $5.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by bigfoot66 View Post
    $3 an hour is a fair amount to tip, but I tip win lose or draw, and I do not feel compelled to tip on a big win. Even if I won a million bucks I can't imagine myself tipping more than $100, and on a handpay I might tip $5.
    You are a very generous person to tip even when you lose. They must love you.

    I often wonder how much I would tip if I hit a $400,000 royal? (Of course I don't play at those levels, so this is just a dream problem.) If the appropriate tip on a $20,000 royal is $100 (several authors have said that one-half percent is appropriate), would I really tip $2,000 on a $400,000 win?

    There are various ways to look at it: If you are playing at a $100 VP game, it is likely that a casino employee is stationed behind you with a legal pad to keep track of all of your W2G wins. Remember, even 3oak on most VP games at the $100 denomination is a W2G. If you were a $100/coin player, what is the convenience worth to you for not having to wait for an attendant every time you hit three of a kind or better? Tipping an attendant who is standing behind you could be very worthwhile for you.

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