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    A little background. 6-7 years ago my friend and his friend win $135,000 jackpot on $10 slot. Casino refuses to split the W-2G. I file complaint before Illinois Gaming Board. Long story short I win.

    Same bank of machines same 2 guys same jackpot a year later. I spend little time fighting with casino management about it and go to the lawyer for the gaming board. I win again.

    Couple weeks later, Lawyer for gaming board sends me copy of a resolution they adopted--they will no longer split the W-2G. You spin--you sign.

    Not long thereafter they bar me from setting the dice. I don't assume any connection as I am not the only one so barred.

    Other day I'm dealt 4 aces on super Play triple play super aces--$4,000 per for $12,000.

    No-Rob wherever you are, I didn't leave.

    Short time later a suit approaches and asks arent you "my name". I say yes. He says I was barred here several years ago and can't play here. I have been playing there 2-3 days per week for 20 years-both before and after the above events. I have him call a casino host there that I am friendly with and we avoid his threat to call the police.

    Should I be concerned about being black booked? Can they blackbook for no real reason? I have never had a problem at a casino anywhere around the country so I assume I'm clean.

    Or is it just a casino manager gone wild and unrelated to all the other stuff/

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    Black booked and barred are two completely different things. Casinos have the right to bar whoever they want. If you are too lucky you can absolutely be barred. Black book is more for criminals...means you wouldn't be allowed to step foot any casino in that state, not good!

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    JamieV is correct. I think getting black booked even in Nevada is reserved for criminals. But you could be barred. I suggest that before you play there again that you get in writing from your host or someone else that you are welcomed to play. Based on what happened to you, something nasty could happen if you returned without a written invitation in hand -- and with a copy at home for someone to show to the police.

    My worry is that if you return, and hit a jackpot, that they might refuse to pay you saying that you had been barred from playing.

    This has actually happened at a couple of card clubs here in the LA area. Players who were at jackpot tables or even were in the jackpot hand had their money withheld because they had been barred from the casino years earlier, and while they had been playing for weeks or months the managers use the previous "bar" to pay the jackpot amounts.

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    Yes-I thought that black booked was for criminal only--not just on a whim. And certainly I am a loser there over the 20 years--they would be stupid to bar me. I really wondered if any of the prior history was a factor. They were extremely angry during that W2-G split fight--but I've been there hundreds of times since.

    I actually have a lunch date there today. I will take your advice Alan and meet with my host first to make sure I am still welcome, and I will ask for something in writing.

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    Casinos are like the big bully on the block. I also was persona non grata for awhile at the horseshoe because I filed and won my own complaint with the Indiana Gaming Board against them for an error in a craps game. But I stayed away and they begged me to come back.

    Alan--as a craps player you will like this story. I am shooting and have a good roll going--about 15 minutes in and a lot of $$ on the table. I roll the dice and 1 die is spinning. The stick yells "7 out" and reaches to sweep the dice. I grab his stick since 1 die is still spinning. The dice stop and show 10--a 6 and a 4. The box is asleep of course--they briefly discuss--and rule 7-out. I stop the game, have gaming board rep come on, he says 7-out stands.

    I file complaint with gaming board and subpoena the tapes which they can't produce. I had also taken names and info from other players at the table and some signed hand written statements. Woman from gaming board responds to my complaint and basically says go eff yourself. I persist and demand a hearing and the tapes--they can't produce the tapes. Finally, upon higher level review they agree to refund to me all the $$ I had on the table. They have no idea how much it was so I "guestimated" it--on the high side, and they gave me a check. But the 10 was worth $1,000 ($500 bet) and who knows how much longer the roll would have gone. So I still felt the loss.

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    Did I read that correctly? While a die was still spinning the stick called a 7-out? It that what I read? Is that what you meant? Unbelievable.

    This reminds me of a similar "bad call" a couple of years ago at Caesars. I was not there, but one of the players at the table told me about it and if I recall he wrote about it on LVA. A dealer made a bad call on a leaning die which meant a 7-out and all of the players were in agreement that it was a bad call and so NO ONE would accept the dice as they were passed. The table was literally shut down by a player's strike.

    But to make a 7-out call while a die was spinning, and then to have the die stop to show a non-7 is shocking.

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    You read that right Alan--spinning and stopped on 10. And this is a dealer who had been getting tips from us for years during good nights. That's why i had to pursue it all the way.

    Just went to see that host. He said just forget about that guy-he's a putz. he couldn't give me anything in writing but assured me I'm not barred, blacklisted, or anything else. And he bought the lunch.

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