No Need To Be 7-Stars To Get The Goods

[Rob.Singer]

If anyone believes being 7-Stars is the end-all in CET status-seeking, think again.

My background is about 10 years as a Diamond in their hey-day years, one as 7-Stars, and I've been Gold for the past several years with very little CET play. I've been to every one of the CET properties around the US and Canada because of comp nights everywhere, and I put in very limited play in all but the Nevada & once in the southern market. My biggest wins have been two $10 royals at the Rio, one $50k hit (4 A's w/kicker on $25) at Caesar's LV, and a $50k hit (on $25 TDBP) at the now closed Harrahs Tunica. That last one, along with some play in New Orleans, got me my only 7-Stars card, which is now long gone due to very little play.

So what happens now? I thought nothing. But in this month's mail I received the Total Rewards magazine, and in it were several coupon offers that seemed to want me back so much it hurts.

Yes, I just booked a motor trip thru the south in Dec. Harrahs Roadhouse Tunica offered $600 in free play, up to 5 nights, and $100 food; Harrahs Gulf Coast (Biloxi) offered $350 free play, up to 5 free nights, and $50 food; and Harrahs New Orleans offered up $400 in free play, up to 5 free nights, and $150 in food.

For a GOLD player? Well, yes. And it's just gonna hurt them even more, because I'm a disciplined player who won't ever play one cent more than the free play they've offered at these out-of-the-way places. But wait!....maybe I could claim stomach pains and the runs after a meal at Besh, or maybe I could slip on a wet spot in Harrahs Biloxi! SURELY, a Big Check is just around the corner!

[redietz]

You know, I remember a certain video poker expert, when presented with this kind of information, saying something like "There's no way these casinos would invite a winning player and shower him with comps. Casinos don't exist by doing these kinds of things, so obviously this targeted player must have burned some big holes in his own pockets to get these kinds of offers."

Fortunately, I haven't always taken this certain video poker expert at face value, so I'm able to believe what Rob Singer has posted here.

By the way, Rob, I missed you in LV yesterday and today. Maybe next time we can have a coffee or something.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob even though you didn't play with your card for many years you can still be tracked with W2Gs and hotel reservations. Frankly I doubt you played as little as you claimed and I doubt your jackpot frequency came with the play you reported. Your offers top those of other Seven Stars players I know. By telling us how big these offers are tend to undermine your previous claims of big wins with limited play.

[Rob.Singer]

Red, interesting that you're miffed by this. I believe CET took a look back at some of their higher limit players who for whatever reason have stopped being clients at these properties, and are trying to get them to come back. They know I still exist due to some limited amounts of play at $2 and under at Reno and Tahoe, so their computers spit out these offers. And since I'm either a huge winner (Tunica and NO) or a small winner (Biloxi) at these properties, why not try to grab me back in? My magazine also included free stay offers at So. Calif. & Ak-Chin, and I'm booking those too. Nothing for N. Nevada, likely because I've been there in the past year.

Alan, if it makes you feel better wanting to believe my big wins came after hours and hours of play like you put in, have at it. I understand fully. I'm sure most here also want those 3 royals and Aces on that $2 machine in 4 ARTT sessions want it to be that I lost $30,000 doing it. In fact, they can't fathom that I didn't play more than 1500 hands that evening, and more importantly I guess, haven't played since.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob, I am sure you have had sessions (trips) when big wins were grouped together. Remember -- I put $2,000 into a $25 8/5 Bonus machine at Caesars and hit multiple quads and then a $100,000 royal and walked out of the casino +$109,000 and then went over to Bellagio where I gave Jason $2,000 and he hit a $24,000 royal. Stuff like that happens.

The real question is did you have the same luck over the ten years you earned $100,000 playing VP?

I don't doubt you won $100,000 per year. I doubt you sat down at machines year after year and miraculously hit so many big winners in so few hands.

[redietz]

Red, interesting that you're miffed by this. I believe CET took a look back at some of their higher limit players who for whatever reason have stopped being clients at these properties, and are trying to get them to come back. They know I still exist due to some limited amounts of play at $2 and under at Reno and Tahoe, so their computers spit out these offers. And since I'm either a huge winner (Tunica and NO) or a small winner (Biloxi) at these properties, why not try to grab me back in? My magazine also included free stay offers at So. Calif. & Ak-Chin, and I'm booking those too. Nothing for N. Nevada, likely because I've been there in the past year.

Alan, if it makes you feel better wanting to believe my big wins came after hours and hours of play like you put in, have at it. I understand fully. I'm sure most here also want those 3 royals and Aces on that $2 machine in 4 ARTT sessions want it to be that I lost $30,000 doing it. In fact, they can't fathom that I didn't play more than 1500 hands that evening, and more importantly I guess, haven't played since.

Not miffed, Rob. Far from it. I cheer anybody who gets stuff from casinos. I hope you kill them in Tunica.

My only confusion stems from why when you get these offers, it's theory #1 and when somebody else gets them, it's theory #2.

[RS__]

Not miffed, Rob. Far from it. I cheer anybody who gets stuff from casinos. I hope you kill them in Tunica.

My only confusion stems from why when you get these offers, it's theory #1 and when somebody else gets them, it's theory #2.

+1

When APs get offers and get comps and whatnot, it's "you musta lost way more than that, they don't comp winners".
When it's Rob himself it's "because I play with strict limits and don't play more than necessary".

Rob is a fraud and everyone knows it.

[Alan Mendelson]

When APs get offers and get comps and whatnot, it's "you musta lost way more than that, they don't comp winners".

Actually they do comp winners who show substantial amounts of play. Rob wants us to believe he's a big winner with the smallest amount of play, and it's his usual pattern.

[Dan Druff]

If anyone believes being 7-Stars is the end-all in CET status-seeking, think again.

My background is about 10 years as a Diamond in their hey-day years, one as 7-Stars, and I've been Gold for the past several years with very little CET play. I've been to every one of the CET properties around the US and Canada because of comp nights everywhere, and I put in very limited play in all but the Nevada & once in the southern market. My biggest wins have been two $10 royals at the Rio, one $50k hit (4 A's w/kicker on $25) at Caesar's LV, and a $50k hit (on $25 TDBP) at the now closed Harrahs Tunica. That last one, along with some play in New Orleans, got me my only 7-Stars card, which is now long gone due to very little play.

So what happens now? I thought nothing. But in this month's mail I received the Total Rewards magazine, and in it were several coupon offers that seemed to want me back so much it hurts.

Yes, I just booked a motor trip thru the south in Dec. Harrahs Roadhouse Tunica offered $600 in free play, up to 5 nights, and $100 food; Harrahs Gulf Coast (Biloxi) offered $350 free play, up to 5 free nights, and $50 food; and Harrahs New Orleans offered up $400 in free play, up to 5 free nights, and $150 in food.

For a GOLD player? Well, yes. And it's just gonna hurt them even more, because I'm a disciplined player who won't ever play one cent more than the free play they've offered at these out-of-the-way places. But wait!....maybe I could claim stomach pains and the runs after a meal at Besh, or maybe I could slip on a wet spot in Harrahs Biloxi! SURELY, a Big Check is just around the corner!

Sorry, Rob, but this is at least partial BS.

It is true that casinos comp inactive players in order to get them back. So on that front it's believable that you were offered some free nights, limited free food, and some freeplay to come to these properties.

However, there's no way you were offered $600 freeplay in 2016 as a "come back to us" offer at stingy CET, unless you were playing much higher than you have previously admitted to regularly playing.

Furthermore, if you were still playing at these properties occasionally at low limits then you ESPECIALLY wouldn't be getting the lucrative freeplay offers, because that is indicative to the marketing computer that you are either broke or have seriously curtailed your gambling.

If you really want to take advantage of casinos via the "on and off" comp strategy, you should completely fall off their radar for like 12-18 months (don't stay at any of their properties, and don't play there at ALL), and then come back for a single session at comparable limits to what you played before.

This will signal the marketing computer that you're back in the gambling saddle, and they will suddenly hit you with nice offers again.

But if you occasionally show up and play at lower limits, your offers will start reflecting that of a low limit player.

Bottom line is that, once again, Rob isn't telling us the entire truth.

I know you're all shocked.

[jbjb]

Bottom line is that, once again, Rob isn't telling us the entire truth.

I know you're all shocked.

Of course we're not shocked. But we do love the fairy tales he tells us!

[regnis]

I believe what Rob is saying in terms of these offers. I have been to a Caesars property only once this year (excluding Vegas in January for the NHC), and yesterday for 45 minutes. I have been getting ridiculous offers for the last two months and was wondering why. The offers are much higher than in recent years. I assumed it was because of my absence.

[jbjb]

They're "enticement" to get people back into the casinos.

"Hey Mr./Mrs./Miss 'so and so', here's $xxxx free play because we haven't seen you in a while."

Nothing new with this practice.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, I am sure you have had sessions (trips) when big wins were grouped together. Remember -- I put $2,000 into a $25 8/5 Bonus machine at Caesars and hit multiple quads and then a $100,000 royal and walked out of the casino +$109,000 and then went over to Bellagio where I gave Jason $2,000 and he hit a $24,000 royal. Stuff like that happens.

The real question is did you have the same luck over the ten years you earned $100,000 playing VP?

I don't doubt you won $100,000 per year. I doubt you sat down at machines year after year and miraculously hit so many big winners in so few hands.

I've never said over the years I've always hit big winners with very little play. That's just the perception from critics as they mince words. Most people lose playing vp including probably everyone but me here, so when they see me post winnings like from SP recently or from Tunica or Wynn in the past 5 years they automatically come to the irritated but incorrect conclusions that all of my winning was experienced as these were.

[Rob.Singer]

Actually they do comp winners who show substantial amounts of play. Rob wants us to believe he's a big winner with the smallest amount of play, and it's his usual pattern.

Of course they do. My lack of substantial play combined with the wins at these southern properties is why I've gone years between offers.

[Rob.Singer]

+1

When APs get offers and get comps and whatnot, it's "you musta lost way more than that, they don't comp winners".
When it's Rob himself it's "because I play with strict limits and don't play more than necessary".

Rob is a fraud and everyone knows it.

That's all sour grapes and all made up RS. Are we witnessing the continued agitation you've been showing ever since you had no way to claim my wins at the SP were a "fraud"?

[Rob.Singer]

Sorry, Rob, but this is at least partial BS.

It is true that casinos comp inactive players in order to get them back. So on that front it's believable that you were offered some free nights, limited free food, and some freeplay to come to these properties.

However, there's no way you were offered $600 freeplay in 2016 as a "come back to us" offer at stingy CET, unless you were playing much higher than you have previously admitted to regularly playing.

Furthermore, if you were still playing at these properties occasionally at low limits then you ESPECIALLY wouldn't be getting the lucrative freeplay offers, because that is indicative to the marketing computer that you are either broke or have seriously curtailed your gambling.

If you really want to take advantage of casinos via the "on and off" comp strategy, you should completely fall off their radar for like 12-18 months (don't stay at any of their properties, and don't play there at ALL), and then come back for a single session at comparable limits to what you played before.

This will signal the marketing computer that you're back in the gambling saddle, and they will suddenly hit you with nice offers again.

But if you occasionally show up and play at lower limits, your offers will start reflecting that of a low limit player.

Bottom line is that, once again, Rob isn't telling us the entire truth.

I know you're all shocked.

You did a good job trying to talk yourself into a scenario that you wouldn't feel so uneasy about. After all, only "Dan" can be the "overcomped" one here..... You're gonna lose sleep over this aren't you. But it isn't difficult to recognize how torn you really are over my comeback offers. If you really didn't believe them instead of not WANTING to believe them, you'd have said "post them and prove it!" Now, sadly, all you're left with is being able to claim how I could do what you always like me to be able to do---my being a photoshop expert with the ability to post anything in any way I want.

You seemed more and more troubled every day. I hope you don't take these frustrations out on your "son".

[Dan Druff]

I'm saying that the numbers you quoted don't add up with your past claims of play.

Now you're doubting I have a son? You can ask Alan if you want. He met my son.

[Alan Mendelson]

I did meet Dan's son and his lovely significant other.

[redietz]

I've never said over the years I've always hit big winners with very little play. That's just the perception from critics as they mince words. Most people lose playing vp including probably everyone but me here, so when they see me post winnings like from SP recently or from Tunica or Wynn in the past 5 years they automatically come to the irritated but incorrect conclusions that all of my winning was experienced as these were.

Well, maybe "probably everyone but me and redietz."

I hit a royal Monday, Rob, so although my lifetime vp tally had dipped below +4K, I can now report it is almost +5K.

And, horror of horrors, I tipped. I know; it bothers me, too. But I found a $20 bill on the floor of Carl's Jr. today, so karma gave it back to me.

[Alan Mendelson]

I found a $10 bill on the ground at Disneyland and put it in my pocket. But finding money inside a restaurant... I don't know if I would keep it. But then, what would you do? Stand up and make an announcement such as...

"I found a piece of paper currency. If you can tell me the serial number it's yours"?