kewlJ

[coach belly]

My partner and I earned on average 40k a year from this method.
most of this play was putting through massive amounts of coin at just slightly -EV video poker

Regarding Expected Value....

How much needs to be wagered to return enough freeplay each week to net $40K per year profit?

How much freeplay is required each week to net $40K per year, factoring in the expected loss of the initial wager?

[MaxPen]

My partner and I earned on average 40k a year from this method.
most of this play was putting through massive amounts of coin at just slightly -EV video poker

Regarding Expected Value....

How much needs to be wagered to return enough freeplay each week to net $40K per year profit?

How much freeplay is required each week to net $40K per year, factoring in the expected loss of the initial wager?

That is highly variable depending on the property. But back when this is claimed to have all happened it was a lot less than you would expect. Just multiply net profit x 15 for total amount of coin needed on average thru out the Vegas valley in order to get close.

[MDawg]

It's tiring even to try to get your arms around this guy's preposterous lies. He's already revised the $50.freeplay to $100K story, eh? Typical.

You can't get to the truth with a fraud.

UNkewLyingJ all the way.


What's clear is that when he gets hit with the truth he comes back with one 10x multiplier response after another. When the wall of text lands, it translates to a simple, "I'm lying and I'm getting more and more flustered." That's all.

[MDawg]

My partner passed away just a couple years after my brother moved to Vegas.

Which partner? The "soul mate" you recently denied ever existed?

Can't you even keep track of your lies?

[coach belly]

You just made up your mind about something you likely knew nothing about.

That's an incorrect assumption on your part.

I didn't need to be in Vegas to understand his point.

Do you think that there are table configurations unknown outside of the LV Strip?

Your reaction was unwarranted, if anybody was talking shit it was you.

Alan's questions were polite and legitimate, especially if his knowledge was limited.

When you couldn't answer his questions, you began a campaign to smear and discredit him.

[kewlJ]

(Responding to Axelwolf): It wasn't VP. And it wasn't me That hit it.

Link to what? Where I first mentioned it? I am not going looking for that. My partner has been dead for almost 5.5 years, so it is older than that.

[Treeshade]

My partner and I earned on average 40k a year from this method.
most of this play was putting through massive amounts of coin at just slightly -EV video poker

Regarding Expected Value....

How much needs to be wagered to return enough freeplay each week to net $40K per year profit?

How much freeplay is required each week to net $40K per year, factoring in the expected loss of the initial wager?

That is highly variable depending on the property. But back when this is claimed to have all happened it was a lot less than you would expect. Just multiply net profit x 15 for total amount of coin needed on average thru out the Vegas valley in order to get close.

Lol
Lol
Lol

Nice troll … I hope

If not then once again I gave someone to much credit

Its Better to actually say nothing regarding what it takes. Tell them it requires 4 days of play and a 10k lose to get max mail per property. That’s my go to answer

[coach belly]

Just multiply net profit x 15 for total amount of coin needed on average thru out the Vegas valley in order to get close.

OK then $600K coin-in to net $40K in profit ?

So the expected initial loss is approx $30K ?

Then the required freeplay is $70K, plus the expected loss on the play-through?

This is looking like $1500 +/- per week for 52 weeks.

Am I in the ballpark?

[MaxPen]

Regarding Expected Value....

How much needs to be wagered to return enough freeplay each week to net $40K per year profit?

How much freeplay is required each week to net $40K per year, factoring in the expected loss of the initial wager?

That is highly variable depending on the property. But back when this is claimed to have all happened it was a lot less than you would expect. Just multiply net profit x 15 for total amount of coin needed on average thru out the Vegas valley in order to get close.

Lol
Lol
Lol

Nice troll … I hope

If not then once again I gave someone to much credit

Its Better to actually say nothing regarding what it takes. Tell them it requires 4 days of play and a 10k lose to get max mail per property. That’s my go to answer

You know exactly what I am saying. Check your PM

[Treeshade]

Thong J just reads what others do online and makes up stories. He’s been sucking and fucking for dollars for many years now. Age is catching up with him so he may transition like Bruce Jenner to further his career. That seems to be the final chapter for these freaks. Devoid of family and purpose they go further down the fetish / fantasy rabbit hole.

[accountinquestion]

So for 8.5 years you and your partner, brother, and whoever netted out $400k. This resulted in 3 licks amounting to half of that win. Most of which was grinding VP mailers. So it is even more preposterous than I thought. This is not how things work.

The way things work with people who grind mail like that is any outlier events that do occur do not even result in more than a blip on a chart of their EV trajectory. I like how the $100k hit is not technically from the $50 in free play now that you learned there are hardly any six figure progressives that would even accept free play.

Now let me tell you how you can spot these people. .

This kewl guy drones on about math but he can't calculate anything about Mdawg and his wins/losses just like we can't calculate the odds of the above being true.

IMO they're about equally unlikely. In the realm of never happening and such a longshot our intuition would fail us trying to deduce the odds.

He is whining about Mdawg's chip pics when he should be nice to Mdawg. If Mdawg felt sorry enough for him he could flip him a couple of chips and help Kewl get housing and lift himself out of the sewers with a little starting bankroll.

[kewlJ]

I didn't keep track of amount of total coin in we put in to generate $40k profit, but I am sure it was way more than $600k. At our prime we were getting 50 mailers a months. We each got 4 different mailers from stations alone (all in the same name). 1 from the regular station properties, I from the now closed fiestas, 1 from the wildfires and Barley and a 4th that was just table game match plays and free bets.

It was actually kind of fun to get all those mailers the last week of the month. But then you had to try to figure out the most optimal way to hit them all on the given days, without cris-crossing back and forth all over the city.

[accountinquestion]

Does anyone have a link? A 100k VP progressive wouldn't be that hard to investigate.

https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...ig-score.6968/

Oh that isn't the VP link. It is the 100k progressive.

[Treeshade]

That is highly variable depending on the property. But back when this is claimed to have all happened it was a lot less than you would expect. Just multiply net profit x 15 for total amount of coin needed on average thru out the Vegas valley in order to get close.

Lol
Lol
Lol

Nice troll … I hope

If not then once again I gave someone to much credit

Its Better to actually say nothing regarding what it takes. Tell them it requires 4 days of play and a 10k lose to get max mail per property. That’s my go to answer

You know exactly what I am saying. Check your PM

I use a burner bro i have 100s of them for obvious reasons, and druff seems to not care about masking. So I can just toss the phone when done. No biggie

[Treeshade]

I didn't keep track of amount of total coin in we put in to generate $40k profit, but I am sure it was way more than $600k. At our prime we were getting 50 mailers a months. We each got 4 different mailers from stations alone (all in the same name). 1 from the regular station properties, I from the now closed fiestas, 1 from the wildfires and Barley and a 4th that was just table game match plays and free bets.

It was actually kind of fun to get all those mailers the last week of the month. But then you had to try to figure out the most optimal way to hit them all on the given days, without cris-crossing back and forth all over the city.

Lol

What a lier

[AxelWolf]

I didn't keep track of amount of total coin in we put in to generate $40k profit, but I am sure it was way more than $600k. At our prime we were getting 50 mailers a months. We each got 4 different mailers from stations alone (all in the same name). 1 from the regular station properties, I from the now closed fiestas, 1 from the wildfires and Barley and a 4th that was just table game match plays and free bets.

It was actually kind of fun to get all those mailers the last week of the month. But then you had to try to figure out the most optimal way to hit them all on the given days, without cris-crossing back and forth all over the city.

Way more, let's call it 700k and double it that's around 8.75% of your coin in. +Comps + various extras - the cost of mistakes etc.

[AxelWolf]

So on a road trip, we visited a casino we had never played before, and likely never will again. They had a promotion offering free play to new player card sign-ups and they matched tiers from other casinos, so we qualified for $50 free play each.

So, there was a restriction that the free play could not be used on video poker as we intended, so my partner played a progressive slot and somehow, hit a low 6 figure jackpot.

Wowa, yeah, wtf, that's some crazy shit. Very hard to swallow. Very Easily proven without any possible repercussions. I'm super surprised the casino wouldn't want that story on all their promotional materials. They would probably even shove a big load of free play down your throat. There are not many places that had a promotion offering free play to new player card sign-ups and matching tiers from other casinos, where people qualified for $50 free play and had 100k jackpots that were hit. Casinos would absolutely announce a 100k Jackpot off of $50 free play, even without names. No permission is needed.

[kewlJ]

Way more, let's call it 700k and double it that's around 8.75% of your coin in. +Comps + various extras - the cost of mistakes etc.

Yes, I never intended to even get into all that. When I moved to Vegas a fellow AP told me about the mailer situation, and how casinos, especially all the off strip (locals) casinos, were literally competing for the local players, by sending out generous mail offers. His exact words were "that not taking advantage of this was leaving money on the table".

So I started playing what I am sure you and others would consider a small amount of VP at a handful of casinos that I played blackjack at anyway. Then the mailers started rolling in and I expanded to a few more. The next thing I knew it was really overwhelming me. Between the planning and trying to co-ordinate the play and playing it, this part of my AP, which was supposed to be supplemental was talking up more time than my primary AP blackjack card counting. That is when I turned it over to my partner and said "here, this is going to be your job".

After he passed away, I took it back over but by then many casinos had already started cutting down and cutting back. And I dropped some of the smaller out of way places and just focused on a handful of places that I played at anyway. Now I am down to almost nothing.

[AxelWolf]

Way more, let's call it 700k and double it that's around 8.75% of your coin in. +Comps + various extras - the cost of mistakes etc.

Yes, I never intended to even get into all that. When I moved to Vegas a fellow AP told me about the mailer situation, and how casinos, especially all the off strip (locals) casinos, were literally competing for the local players, by sending out generous mail offers. His exact words were "that not taking advantage of this was leaving money on the table".

So I started playing what I am sure you and others would consider a small amount of VP at a handful of casinos that I played blackjack at anyway. Then the mailers started rolling in and I expanded to a few more. The next thing I knew it was really overwhelming me. Between the planning and trying to co-ordinate the play and playing it, this part of my AP, which was supposed to be supplemental was talking up more time than my primary AP blackjack card counting. That is when I turned it over to my partner and said "here, this is going to be your job".

After he passed away, I took it back over but by then many casinos had already started cutting down and cutting back. And I dropped some of the smaller out of way places and just focused on a handful of places that I played at anyway. Now I am down to almost nothing.

Well, I'm sorry to tell you, but this was the bottom of the barrel. Not generous at all, especially for the amount of work involved and the number of casinos.

[MDawg]

After he passed away,

Who passed away?

Because either SeedValue is telling the truth or you are, both can't be true. You claim he never existed. SeedValue and MaxPen claim he did, the heavy set 20 year older fella, your sugar daddy.

To be fair Kewj didn’t get into the escort business until after his partner passed away. It’s my understanding that him, and his late partner did do some low rolling AP things around town just enough to get by.