kewlJ

[MDawg]

You're just in too deep with having lost face, and rather than show what any normal person would - UPset at being played - you continue to act as if not all is lost.

You're definitely not the type to turn the other cheek, so the only explanation is self preservation - you look like less of a fool if you appear to cling to your claim that UNKewlJ may not lie about everything.

[MisterV]

You're just in too deep with having lost face, and rather than show what any normal person would - UPset at being played - you continue to act as if not all is lost.

Dawg, I am NOT upset at all: why should I be?

I've no skin in the game.

Yeah, KJ lied to me: he fessed up and explained why, and I can accept and live with that.

I have "lost" nothing that I can see, but perhaps you can tell me exactly what it is I have "lost?"

Is it credibility?

Nah, that dog won't hunt as I make zero claims or brags of substance.

Just come clean and admit that you are milking KJ's little fiasco for all it's worth, thinking that it will benefit you in the eyes of forum readers.

Which if so is beyond absurd given the small audience and its insignificance in the scheme of things.

[MDawg]

What you lost...face...credibility.

What you gained...evidence of gullibility, evidence of what a poor reader of people you are.

=A lot of people would like to play poker with you after seeing that post.

Lol epicly bad read.

[smurgerburger]

MrV

I don't think you appreciate how improbable is KJs story of being a long time professional counter working solely in LV.

Ignoring the lies and the fact that nobody has met him, there is literally no other human being claiming to be a long term counter making 6-figures in a single market for 10+ years. Not just in LV, *anywhere*.

(And if someone can refute me here I'll correct my post.)

Even before the death faking and everything else, active counters were accusing him of being a liar on Greenchip just because of the implausibility of his story.

Now add in the rest...

[MDawg]

Thanks for the additional background. Besides what you just said, anyone on the ball has noticed that in all these years he has almost never described a single hand of actual blackjack play. For someone who devotes tomes to trying to explain himself and His Position, that can only mean that he hasn't had much real world experience hence not much to describe other than theory he read about.

Part of the reason I get away with what I do is I alternate between Blackjack and Baccarat. I play very high limits. Also, I have a number of ridiculously high rollers I have brought in and they've made it clear that they play where I play, and they're all just straight gamblers, some of them slots players, who don't even expect to win, just want to be taken care of. All of that factors in to why I get the red carpet treatment.

UNKewlJ - there is nothing special about him, or his play, and no reason why anyone would put up with that irritant. If he's this unlikeable online imagine what he's like in person. Additionally, just his personality, his exuding nervousness, inability to keep his mouth shut, indecisiveness, inconsistency, lying, poor memory, low intelligence, none of that correlates to anyone who could survive in a casino table games environment. It makes far more sense that he's a low end hustler who plays a little in casinos as a cover for scoping out his sugar daddies.

[MisterV]

I really do not know, but I don't think he's schizophrenic and bipolar.

His posts don't show the typical tell-tale signs of schizophrenia, i.e. disordered thinking, fantastic notions etc.

But really, what does it matter whether I find value in his posts or not?

I'll never meet him, we've zero connections, and if nothing else he's interesting.

For the real zomibies and crazy folk I view political threads...

[smurgerburger]

I really do not know, but I don't think he's schizophrenic and bipolar.

His posts don't show the typical tell-tale signs of schizophrenia, i.e. disordered thinking, fantastic notions etc.

But really, what does it matter whether I find value in his posts or not?

I'll never meet him, we've zero connections, and if nothing else he's interesting.

For the real zomibies and crazy folk I view political threads...

Fair enough.

[kewlJ]

Smurgerberger, I don't play solely Las Vegas. I am based out of Vegas obviously and a good deal of my play takes place in Vegas but I take about 3 trips a year to other locations. Pennsylvania every year. Reno, New Orleans. Pacific Northwest, Colorado among places.

I know players that are constantly traveling to play. I didn't want that, so I decided a style that would be well tolerated and allow for some longevity while playing probably 80% here.

[MDawg]

Of course you have to expect UNKewlLyingJ to make up stories to try to back up stories. Just like he made up the lawsuit in a (failed) attempt to prop up an already floundering backrooming tale.

I don't believe any part of your backroom story and I'm skeptical about 75% of everything else.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg, this agenda of yours, is about 1 thing and 1 thing only. I dared call out your claims as bullshit because they defy the math and the way Las Vegas works. Everything else is just fluff. THAT is what you are so pissed about. I guess I ruined this little adventure you wanted to tell.

And look at what you do and say because of it. All the lies about male prostitution, sugar daddies, homelessness, Pacific Islander (whatever that is about). And you dare even suggest that I am the one with some kind of problem?

On top of that, you PM members here begging them to take your side on this....I guess troll war. Dan Druff caught you PMing members and told you not to do it. But you have continued haven't you? And for what? Yes, you have found a receptive audience on this forum for your trolling crap, something you have done for decades using different handles, because there are many on this forum that just don't like me.

You think you are winning some sort of troll war. What are you winning? None of the bullshit you make up and say about me or pictures of homeless people changes anything. I am a successful mid-level AP living and playing in Vegas for over a decade and you are a losing player, albeit higher limit losing player, that loses (long-term) and is comped accordingly.

THAT is the great story of the great Mdawg. A guy with some money who plays Vegas regularly, loses and they shower him with comps and freebies (tournaments) because he is a losing player....exactly the kind of player Vegas was built on.

It is YOUR story that I find nothing special about. Guy loses gets comped. I would much rather read the accounts of Alan's final chapter of gambling, when he would have $10 free play at Red Rock and $5 at Suncoast and turn that into $11 and a free meal than read your garbage.

I am sorry that I ruined your little "pope of Las Vegas story"....for whatever reason you felt the need to tell that embellished story. But I didn't really ruin it. YOU DID when you tried to tell a story that defied both the math and the way Las Vegas works to forums that have real players, both professional and recreational that KNOW how things work.

[MDawg]

It is unclear why V supports UNKewlJ even to the small extent that he does?

But the fact that UNKewLyingJ thinks that anyone need lift a finger to make people disbelieve him, not realizing that it's already a done deal that he is FraudJ through and through, is further evidence that he has no read on people or things, cementing again the reality that he couldn't be any kind of success in a casino table game environment.

[jdog]

there is literally no other human being claiming to be a long term counter making 6-figures in a single market for 10+ years.

If you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate on what particularly about KJ's blackjack AP claims is improbable? FWIW I think he's only claimed to avg about 80K. Is it that hard to stay under the radar long term?

Forgive me I'm just curious because I have no idea what a casino would or would not tolerate from a BJ player.

[smurgerburger]

there is literally no other human being claiming to be a long term counter making 6-figures in a single market for 10+ years.

If you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate on what particularly about KJ's blackjack AP claims is improbable? FWIW I think he's only claimed to avg about 80K. Is it that hard to stay under the radar long term?

Forgive me I'm just curious because I have no idea what a casino would or would not tolerate from a BJ player.

You just can't get in enough hours without getting heat. Your spread will make you instantly suspicious and from there it's just a matter of time.

And there are only so many floors and so many shifts, and floors tend to have good memories for faces. So even if you were just quickly popping in and out you'd get recognized over time (and also you would never be able to string together enough hours doing this).

And we're talking years and years of this. Every single floor would recognize him.

[MDawg]

Another issue, reality check! When I play blackjack it sometimes takes hours before I've even experienced a positive enough count to justify jacking the bet to anywhere near where I want to take it.

In this contrived fable UNKewlJ has created where he "hits and runs" for very short times, playing just minutes at a time versus hours he's not going to even get in enough time in a given session to necessarily even experience any benefit from his supposed counting.

He's also repeatedly contradicted himself with whether or not he plays under the radar, or with a player card, because he talks about "comps" sometimes when he wants to address the subject of comps, and then claims that he always plays under the radar when he wants to address the subject of "blackjack." He can't even get his story straight about whether he walks in with chips always or cash, or how much bankroll he has or doesn't have per session, let alone period. All the details that would add some sort of breadth to his story are lacking - lacking because it's all made up based on what he read or heard in books and online.

The guy just has a terrible memory, not even compared to someone like me who could tell you every card that has fallen from the deck, but just in general - no way he could even count the guy's a borderline imbecile, just the fact that he got caught in so many lies so quickly in his backrooming fable, and the mere fact that he felt the need to make up the story to begin with, bolsters that he's just here to try to prove that he is a blackjack player, versus actually playing much.

If he really played he'd be more interested in telling his story versus just telling us over and over "how it should be." One time he tried to tell us a "story" it was an easily disproved lie.

[kewlJ]

You just can't get in enough hours without getting heat. Your spread will make you instantly suspicious and from there it's just a matter of time.

And there are only so many floors and so many shifts, and floors tend to have good memories for faces. So even if you were just quickly popping in and out you'd get recognized over time (and also you would never be able to string together enough hours doing this).

And we're talking years and years of this. Every single floor would recognize him.

You have counted cards professionally in Las Vegas at mid-level stakes for years and know what is and isn't tolerated have you? Because what you are saying is just nonsense. Sounds like something Rob Singer has said in the past.

Most pit folks in Las Vegas don't want to back off players. It is bad public relations, looks bad to walk up to a table with other patrons and tell someone they can't play. And there is extra work involved as they have to write a report of the incident. Some pit folks are actually AP's themselves. Backing off a player is pretty much a last resort in most cases. You have (unintentionally) put someone in a position that they feel they have to or answer to someone. Longevity is all about figuring out how to NOT put anyone in that position.

Until the last couple years when I have been forced to change up my play, playing a bit higher limits on the strip at busier weekend times, I played a very modest well tolerated limits at local type casinos, like stations, south point, boyd properties, those kind of places. $25 dollar tables spreading $25 to $400. Those limits are very well tolerated for short periods. So unless you sit there cycling through your spread and back to minimum wager for multiple cycles, generally heat is minimal. If you sit down, show your spread one time and then exit at the shuffle after showing max bet, you rarely have any problems.

And yes, some pit folks will recognize you over time. I always had at least 30 casinos in my rotation at any given time, which meant I played each 2-3 times a month, a couple of the better games maybe 4 times a month. That is once a week at best. And even that you spread out among different shifts and days. I actually had a schedule on the computer to make sure I didn't over-play any casino or shift.

Now lets talk about the spread itself. I have mentioned this before, but since I really don't play these games, limits or this way much anymore, I can talk a little more. Ever heard me mention spreading both ways? What that means is when I sit down my first hand or two isn't $25. It is $75 or $100. after two hands if the count has not gone positive and is still in the neutral range I will drop to $50. If and when the count goes negative at about -1/2 true count I will drop to $25 until I exit aggressively at around TC -1.5.

And when the count goes positive, I spread up from my $75 towards $400. So many times if someone is watching, they see a spread of $75 or $100 to $400. That is about 1-4 or 1-5 spread. And since you only show that max bet one time before exiting, no one freaks out about a 1-4 or 1-5 spread maxing out at $400.

Now some might say well you can't win with a 1-4 or 1-5 spread. Well it is not a 1-4 or 1-5 spread. Since you are aggressively exiting negative counts, which means betting $0 at any true count of -2 or greater (really -1.5) your spread is essentially $0-$400. And at the few negative counts you do play which are fairly mild at TC -1, you are betting $25, so 1-16 spread, very well camouflaged.

I'll tell you what? Run these numbers on a simulator like Qfit products exactly like I describe, $75 (at nuetral counts) to $400 with a couple intermediate jumps and $25 at negative counts and $0 at -2 or more and see what you get? well over $100 an hour, with a spread that looks like it is 1-4 or 1-5. You do this for shorts sessions spreading between 30 casinos and all your comments are that of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

I run into, or at least used to run into other regular card counters playing these stakes and never saw anyone have any issues. So, it isn't just me. You figure out limits that are tolerated, a style of play that is tolerated and spread your play around and it is very doable.

Now don't get me wrong, despite all this I have been backed off more than 50 times in 13 years. More earlier on while I figured out what was well tolerated and fewer towards the end. Backoffs do happen. No matter what you do. Backoffs are just some pit person being a little uncomfortable with your play that day. Sometimes that can be as simple as recording a fairly big win. THAT is the kind of thing they have to answer for. Despite playing stakes that are well tolerated and playing short sessions, sometimes you just win a decent amount which is actually counter to longevity. the goal is short sessions and smaller wins.

Anyway, again, I have no idea what you do as far as advantage play, but I am guessing you don't count cards in Las Vegas for a living because the comments you made are that of someone who doesn't know what they are suggesting.

[kewlJ]

Smurgerburger, if you or anyone ever wanted to have a discussion about what I do or did, or ever had any questions, I have always been willing to share as much as I reasonably could without harming myself and often have shared more than I should.

But I am constantly reminded that this isn't what this forum is about. This forum is about calling someone names because you have decided you don't like them. pretty much an extension of 3rd grade recess. Your Mamma Wears army boots type thing, except it is a bunch of older aggrieved men.

[accountinquestion]

Kewl, you can claim what you want about smurgerburger but I happen to know who he is and without a doubt he is 100% more successful at gambling than you can imagine up in your own stories. I can say that because no one knows who he is for the most part. You can know a lot about table games and that world but never bothered to learn indices and all that stuff.

Anyway .. I'm kinda done beating on you. I'm not sure what is behind it all that drives you to try and fit in as a gambler but Mdawg is too relentless and even I feel bad for you. Wow.

Mdawg - do you have an assistant documenting all these things on Kewl? Kewl says you could never do this as a successful person but if you're that successful you could have someone sitting around who can handle all your weird whims. Even I have a soldier and she'll help me with lots of stuff if I ask. (She gets to sit around at home doing nothing 80% of the time..) The documenting you do of Kewl reminds me of what a paralegal or low end attorney who reviews text would do. (Not sure what you call it..)

[MDawg]

What this forum is about, is some clown wasting everyone's time for months laying down one lie after another and then declaring angrily that we're all idiots for not believing him, until he finally was compelled to admit that he was in fact lying all along. After which he keeps lying about all sorts of other things (at length) and expects anyone to waste the time to engage in his nonsense. The best course is to just continue to ridicule him for his fables.

I think kewlJ doesn't understand why so many people here dislike him.

It's not just that he lies. We've had lots of liars on this forum.

It's the seriousness with which kewlJ tells these lies, and then lashes out at those who doubt them. There's a certain arrogance to those posts, in the tone, "Of course this is fucking true, and you're a complete idiot for even doubting this."

Guess who said this UNKewlJ?

He's pretty much a pathological liar you can't believe anything he says. But also probably a sociopath and they have no guilt no shame no embarrassment. They simply make up lies to cover the other lies.

Could it be perhaps that well known AP you used to think is on your side?

But it was so well said I decided to just adopt it for myself.

[kewlJ]

Kewl, you can claim what you want about smurgerburger but I happen to know who he is and without a doubt he is 100% more successful at gambling than you can imagine up in your own stories.

DUDE!! Did I say smurgerburger wasn't successful as an AP? I said I wasn't familiar with exactly what he has done. If he was on BJ21 like he claims (I don't remember anyone with that name, but have no reason to doubt him), then I suspect he has at least some experience counting cards even. Or at least did at one time.

What I said was his comments that no one could get away with counting cards in Las Vegas TODAY, meaning the 2020's...modern day is flat out wrong. THOSE comments sound like someone who doesn't count cards for a living in this day and age in LAS VEGAS.

Look, I wore out my welcome in Atlantic City. That is why I moved to Vegas. I was determined to figure out how to achieve some longevity and not end up one of those former players writing books or running boot camos. There are limits and styles of play, that are well tolerated, despite what people think. Stanford Wong said card counting is easy. It is adding and subtracting 1 and 1. he said a monkey can learn to do that. The hard part is learning how to continue to be welcome to play.

I came up with a plan, figuring out what is and isn't tolerated and a big part of that was short sessions. You can play short sessions in Vegas because that is actually one of the big advantages of Vegas, not great games, but many "playable" games in close proximity. A long-term player from Tommy Hylands team one said (well several times actually) the advantage of Las Vegas is quantity not quality. I came up with a plan specifically for the situation that is Las Vegas. That wasn't by accident.

[smurgerburger]

KJ - you have correctly deduced from my assertion that nobody counts cards for a living in LV (for a decent amount and over many years), that I do not do so myself.