Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

I think you are confused.

Coach Belly thinks I am confused.

[kewlJ]

This is actually pretty funny. And VERY revealing.

Coach belly, long time troll on this and other forums, challenges people, calling them liars when he has no fucking clue what they are even doing. I always suspected that.

Likewise RoB Singer has always doubted my blackjack play, when I KNOW he has no clue about card counting.

And Mdawg, He has never demonstrated any knowledge of advantage play....never been able to say how he might get an advantage, but still trolls many real advantage players, like Belly apparently not understanding what he is challenging.

Dietz at least knows a little bit.

What fucktards!!!! Just bitter degenerate losing players as I have always said!

[coach belly]

So you multiplied 4 books x 4 cycles per book and got 16.

No I didn't...I multiplied 6 books x 4 cycles a year per book...just like your post said.

Multiply by 6 books at 3 or 4 cycles a year per book

6 books x 4 cycles a year per book = 24 total cycles per year

$60K bonus per year / 24 cycles per year = $2500 bonus per cycle each book

4 cycles per year each book @ $2500 bonus per cycle each book = $10K bonus per year each book

6 books @ $2500 bonus per cycle = $15K total bonus per cycle for all books

4 cycles @ $15K total bonus per cycle = $60K total bonus per year

[redietz]

This is actually pretty funny. And VERY revealing.

Coach belly, long time troll on this and other forums, challenges people, calling them liars when he has no fucking clue what they are even doing. I always suspected that.

Likewise RoB Singer has always doubted my blackjack play, when I KNOW he has no clue about card counting.

And Mdawg, He has never demonstrated any knowledge of advantage play....never been able to say how he might get an advantage, but still trolls many real advantage players, like Belly apparently not understanding what he is challenging.

Dietz at least knows a little bit.

What fucktards!!!! Just bitter degenerate losing players as I have always said!

I can't speak for blackjack. I assume you are expert. But I also know you know almost nothing about sports betting, yet feel obligated to post incessantly about something you know nothing about. Your math background is also, at the least, very suspect. You clearly took no probability courses at Villanova.

So it's possible if I knew something about blackjack, I would also find your claims suspect. This is one of those situations, which one encounters sporadically at academic conferences, where you are impressed with a particular speaker until that speaker begins to expound regarding your specialty, and then you realize maybe he doesn't really know anything about anything, and you were going on faith when it came to this speaker talking about things you know nothing about.

[kewlJ]

I am done with you belly. I have been far more tolerant of you than I ever should have. You have just proven you know nothing about what you are talking about. You call people a liar while having zero clue what they are even doing.

But feel free to mumble among you fellow clueless troll friends.

[coach belly]

Coach Belly thinks I am confused.

You didn't answer the question...but I'll try a different way.

You have $50 in your deposited money (regular) account, and $100 in your free play account.

You bet $100 from your free play account and win, and the winnings go into the regular account.

How much money do you have in your regular account?

when you bet $100 from the free play account, the wager will say free play wager and if you win only the winnings go into the regular account.

[kewlJ]

I can't speak for blackjack. I assume you are expert. But I also know you know almost nothing about sports betting, yet feel obligated to post incessantly about something you know nothing about. Your math background is also, at the least, very suspect. You clearly took no probability courses at Villanova.

So it's possible if I knew something about blackjack, I would also find your claims suspect. This is one of those situations, which one encounters sporadically at academic conferences, where you are impressed with a particular speaker until that speaker begins to expound regarding your specialty, and then you realize maybe he doesn't really know anything about anything, and you were going on faith when it came to this speaker talking about things you know nothing about.

Dietz, I am going to answer you. PLEASE don't make me regret it, like I regret wasting the last 90 minutes on Belly.

I don't believe you when you say you can't speak to blackjack. You don't have to be a professional blackjack player to have at least a basic understanding of blackjack card counting. When I first came to this forum, you seemed to have at least a basic understanding of card counting, and repeatedly opined that I knew what I was talking about. Now all of the sudden, you can't speak to blackjack because you don't like what I have said about sports betting and your "tout" career.

The title of this thread is "Professional Sports betting". Well guess what? I am not a professional sports bettor. I am not trying to be a professional sports bettor. I am doing one very specific advantage play with sports betting. The old bonus whoring play (for however long it lasts).

Bob Dietz, the most telling thing about you is how you flipped on numerous members, all APs once you learned they were doing anything involving sports betting. Like you have some bug up your ass of "how dare we". Sports betting is your private "touting" territory. It is NOT!! There are players doing things more complicated than me. Anything to gain an advantage. THAT, Bob Dietz is what advantage players are and do. Get the fuck over it.

You know damn well everything I say about card counting is true and real. And I am sure some techniques you haven't heard of. But now all of the sudden you can't speak to card counting, which mathematically couldn't be simpler.

[coach belly]

Just like a Matchplay chip (one time use) is only worth 50% of face value. (47% actually)

Oh really?

If you bet a regular $100 chip from your stack on a hand of blackjack, plus a $100 matchplay chip...and win, how much does the dealer pay you?

If you are afraid to answer, I will answer for you...he pays you $200...$100 for your chip, and $100 for the match play chip.

So explain why you think that the match pay chip is only worth $50, when the dealer just paid you $100 for winning with it.

[kewlJ]

Just like a Matchplay chip (one time use) is only worth 50% of face value. (47% actually)

Oh really?

If you bet a regular $100 chip from your stack on a hand of blackjack, plus a $100 matchplay chip...and win, how much does the dealer pay you?

I am sorry. You are correct. I was thinking of the free play chip for my example. You bet your one play free bet chip and win, you get the winnings and they take the chip. THAT is exactly how the free play works at all but 1 of my sportsbooks. Making it worth half the face value just like the free bet chip in blackjack.

The reason they do it this way in both cases is because they can make it look like they are giving you more than they are.

[redietz]

I can't speak for blackjack. I assume you are expert. But I also know you know almost nothing about sports betting, yet feel obligated to post incessantly about something you know nothing about. Your math background is also, at the least, very suspect. You clearly took no probability courses at Villanova.

So it's possible if I knew something about blackjack, I would also find your claims suspect. This is one of those situations, which one encounters sporadically at academic conferences, where you are impressed with a particular speaker until that speaker begins to expound regarding your specialty, and then you realize maybe he doesn't really know anything about anything, and you were going on faith when it came to this speaker talking about things you know nothing about.

Dietz, I am going to answer you. PLEASE don't make me regret it, like I regret wasting the last 90 minutes on Belly.

I don't believe you when you say you can't speak to blackjack. You don't have to be a professional blackjack player to have at least a basic understanding of blackjack card counting. When I first came to this forum, you seemed to have at least a basic understanding of card counting, and repeatedly opined that I knew what I was talking about. Now all of the sudden, you can't speak to blackjack because you don't like what I have said about sports betting and your "tout" career.

The title of this thread is "Professional Sports betting". Well guess what? I am not a professional sports bettor. I am not trying to be a professional sports bettor. I am doing one very specific advantage play with sports betting. The old bonus whoring play (for however long it lasts).

Bob Dietz, the most telling thing about you is how you flipped on numerous members, all APs once you learned they were doing anything involving sports betting. Like you have some bug up your ass of "how dare we". Sports betting is your private "touting" territory. It is NOT!! There are players doing things more complicated than me. Anything to gain an advantage. THAT, Bob Dietz is what advantage players are and do. Get the fuck over it.

You know damn well everything I say about card counting is true and real. And I am sure some techniques you haven't heard of. But now all of the sudden you can't speak to card counting, which mathematically couldn't be simpler.

The ridiculousness grows. There is nothing kewlJ and the "APs" do vis-a-vis sports that sports bettors haven't been doing for decades. But now kewlJ has decided, probably because his blackjack narrative is becoming increasingly unlikely and unbelievable, that he will honor us with his brilliant insights regarding sports betting from the Leonardo Da AP perspective.

And he doesn't even know what he's doing. His adoption of an "AP" angle known to, I'm being conservative here, 50,000 sports bettors in this country, and his touting of same, are evidence of his inexperience and naivete. He thinks he's discovered the golden goose, and literally everybody has seen the goose for years.

The clincher is that he thinks he's protecting inexperienced readers from the stories of MDawg. Who protects inexperienced readers from the brain dead insights of kewlJ? Anyone betting his first-two-weeks-dogs angle was getting hosed somewhere between a point to two points a game, but the kewlJ thinks it's all like flipping a coin all the time. When he posts anything regarding sports betting, he's literally a danger to himself and anyone reading it.

That makes him exactly what he claims he's warning everyone about.

[coach belly]

The ridiculousness grows.

He hasn't explained what initial deposit is required to make $60K in bonus available.

He claims to have been winning enough to beat the vig for 2 years by betting trends, and preserve his "principal".

Under those circumstances, not sure why his bonus cash balance wouldn't remain stable as well, no matter what the rollover terms are.

I do know that he does not understand basic arithmetic...so there's that.

[kewlJ]

The ridiculousness grows. There is nothing kewlJ and the "APs" do vis-a-vis sports that sports bettors haven't been doing for decades. .

You keep cycling back to this comment, Deitz.

Where did I EVER say I was doing something new or that I invented or try to take credit for. I don't care if something id 500 years old, if it is something I can gain an advantage doing.... I do it.

I mean card counting certainly isn't new. been around since Thorp's book in the early 60's and really even longer as the 4 dudes in the Army published a paper with a crude version of card counting 10 years before Thorp. Probably others that were doing some version of card counting and kept it to themselves.

I am NOT trying to take credit for anything. I just find something that I can do at an advantage. So stop with that shit Dietz.

[MDawg]

This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

And even then…often gets it wrong.

Just like a Matchplay chip (one time use) is only worth 50% of face value. (47% actually)

Oh really?

When you don’t really play and are just reciting theory you read about, it’s easy to get mixed up.

Nickel and dime unrated players never get any promo or free bet chips anyway, have only read about them. Of course the UNKewl story often shifts. One day she’s never played rated, next she’s getting comped rooms.

UNKewlJ should stick to what she knows…male prostitution, extortion and retaining her status as

the king of lying.

[accountinquestion]

The ridiculousness grows. There is nothing kewlJ and the "APs" do vis-a-vis sports that sports bettors haven't been doing for decades. .

You keep cycling back to this comment, Deitz.

Where did I EVER say I was doing something new or that I invented or try to take credit for. I don't care if something id 500 years old, if it is something I can gain an advantage doing.... I do it.

I mean card counting certainly isn't new. been around since Thorp's book in the early 60's and really even longer as the 4 dudes in the Army published a paper with a crude version of card counting 10 years before Thorp. Probably others that were doing some version of card counting and kept it to themselves.

I am NOT trying to take credit for anything. I just find something that I can do at an advantage. So stop with that shit Dietz.

I wouldn't treat Redietz seriously. Look, he's probably break-evenish. Given that he probably gets 5-20k from a few people every year but they don't care because it is all entertainment for them while Redietz takes it seriously. If you expect Redietz to be break even the real question is whether he is trustworthy and I'd feel comfortable giving him very low 5 figures if I knew him. It could be fun. This doesn't mean he's particularly successful. If so - he wouldn't be taking on investor money at his age. I'm really not sure what his deal is but Kim Lee probably pegged it pretty close. I've known a few professional sports bettors and none of them are even similar to Redietz.

When I pointed out in simple and straight-forward terms how he is wrong - he has now ignored the question more times than I can count on my fingers. I should give up but his arrogance is top-notch and goads me on.

[redietz]

The ridiculousness grows. There is nothing kewlJ and the "APs" do vis-a-vis sports that sports bettors haven't been doing for decades. .

You keep cycling back to this comment, Deitz.

Where did I EVER say I was doing something new or that I invented or try to take credit for. I don't care if something id 500 years old, if it is something I can gain an advantage doing.... I do it.

I mean card counting certainly isn't new. been around since Thorp's book in the early 60's and really even longer as the 4 dudes in the Army published a paper with a crude version of card counting 10 years before Thorp. Probably others that were doing some version of card counting and kept it to themselves.

I am NOT trying to take credit for anything. I just find something that I can do at an advantage. So stop with that shit Dietz.

Here is what you are doing, in blackjack lingo. You are telling people you have won for 10 years at a particular shop doing particular things. You are recommending others do the same.

Meanwhile, the shop has changed their rules, but you don't know the rules. You have no sense of them. You don't grasp that the previously 3-2 blackjack payouts are now even money. But you keep recommending the shop. And you are baffled when, this visit, you lose. You vow to come back next year and try it again. All the while, you have no idea that you are dealing with odds that have been cut. But you publicly tout (see what I did there?) the shop and you publicly recommend it.

That is how naive you are.

You have basically become a menace to any gambler who thinks you know what you are doing. In a sense, you are worse than a "tout." You have become what we like to call a "reverse tout." That's when the value lies in doing the opposite of what you recommend, a kind of George Costanza label. The difference is George eventually figured it out.

[MDawg]

REDietz does what he claims to do. He is in fact a sports handicapper.

Whereas “FraudJ” as MaxPen named her, does not. She’s just a male prostitute “pretending to be some hero AP,” as you put it, AccountinQuestion.

[redietz]

The ridiculousness grows. There is nothing kewlJ and the "APs" do vis-a-vis sports that sports bettors haven't been doing for decades. .

You keep cycling back to this comment, Deitz.

Where did I EVER say I was doing something new or that I invented or try to take credit for. I don't care if something id 500 years old, if it is something I can gain an advantage doing.... I do it.

I mean card counting certainly isn't new. been around since Thorp's book in the early 60's and really even longer as the 4 dudes in the Army published a paper with a crude version of card counting 10 years before Thorp. Probably others that were doing some version of card counting and kept it to themselves.

I am NOT trying to take credit for anything. I just find something that I can do at an advantage. So stop with that shit Dietz.

I wouldn't treat Redietz seriously. Look, he's probably break-evenish. Given that he probably gets 5-20k from a few people every year but they don't care because it is all entertainment for them while Redietz takes it seriously. If you expect Redietz to be break even the real question is whether he is trustworthy and I'd feel comfortable giving him very low 5 figures if I knew him. It could be fun. This doesn't mean he's particularly successful. If so - he wouldn't be taking on investor money at his age. I'm really not sure what his deal is but Kim Lee probably pegged it pretty close. I've known a few professional sports bettors and none of them are even similar to Redietz.

When I pointed out in simple and straight-forward terms how he is wrong - he has now ignored the question more times than I can count on my fingers. I should give up but his arrogance is top-notch and goads me on.

Well, if your assessment is correct, I guess Billy Walters hired me for my looks. Or are you arguing that Mr. Walters lacks the ability to track down handicappers' historical records, interview people who know them, evaluate the handicappers via conversations, vet them, and figure out if they know what they are doing? Is that your argument, that he lacks the sophistication and wherewithal that you, account, would certainly bring to the table?

LOL.

You are, as ever, a maroon.

[kewlJ]

Here is what you are doing, in blackjack lingo. You are telling people you have won for 10 years at a particular shop doing particular things. You are recommending others do the same.

Sir, THIS is a blatant lie. NEVER EVER on any forum, in my probably 100k posts have I ever recommended or suggested that anyone do the same or follow in my footsteps regarding either blackjack, or any other advantage play that I was participating in. NEVER!

[MDawg]

KewlJ, you have repeatedly lied on this and other forums. You have admitted to many of these lies.

One thing you can tell, when UNKewlJ makes with the all bold sentences one after another something has really gotten to him. You can practically see the hand cocked onto his side, the bent elbow and the high pitched whiny voice complaining, "Now wayyyyt a minute, Misterrrrr."

[AxelWolf]

You keep cycling back to this comment, Deitz.

Where did I EVER say I was doing something new or that I invented or try to take credit for. I don't care if something id 500 years old, if it is something I can gain an advantage doing.... I do it.

I mean card counting certainly isn't new. been around since Thorp's book in the early 60's and really even longer as the 4 dudes in the Army published a paper with a crude version of card counting 10 years before Thorp. Probably others that were doing some version of card counting and kept it to themselves.

I am NOT trying to take credit for anything. I just find something that I can do at an advantage. So stop with that shit Dietz.

I wouldn't treat Redietz seriously. Look, he's probably break-evenish. Given that he probably gets 5-20k from a few people every year but they don't care because it is all entertainment for them while Redietz takes it seriously. If you expect Redietz to be break even the real question is whether he is trustworthy and I'd feel comfortable giving him very low 5 figures if I knew him. It could be fun. This doesn't mean he's particularly successful. If so - he wouldn't be taking on investor money at his age. I'm really not sure what his deal is but Kim Lee probably pegged it pretty close. I've known a few professional sports bettors and none of them are even similar to Redietz.

When I pointed out in simple and straight-forward terms how he is wrong - he has now ignored the question more times than I can count on my fingers. I should give up but his arrogance is top-notch and goads me on.

Well, if your assessment is correct, I guess Billy Walters hired me for my looks. Or are you arguing that Mr. Walters lacks the ability to track down handicappers' historical records, interview people who know them, evaluate the handicappers via conversations, vet them, and figure out if they know what they are doing? Is that your argument, that he lacks the sophistication and wherewithal that you, account, would certainly bring to the table?

LOL.

You are, as ever, a maroon.

FYI, I have known people who wanted certain people for their sports picks just so they could take the opposite of them.

How do we know why or what Billy Walters actually hired you for? Is there any record or details on this? I have no clue, I'm not disputing your claims, I'm just asking.

If someone had access to Billy Walters and was able to ask, would eve Billy Walters even know or acknowledge Who You Are?