OSN, Tommy, Me & "others"

[kewlJ]

Good morning and happy thanksgiving to most. This post will probably not be interesting to many. But it is to me and I want to share it.

I recently read that Blackjack legend Tommy Hyland has over 100 entries in OSN, that is the database used in Las Vegas and other jurisdictions but heavily used in Vegas. I found this number astonishing! So I asked my friend in the industry if he could confirm that without too much trouble. He couldn't as his access only goes back about 4-5 years. He thinks there is probably a way to access the entries from earlier years but he doesn't have access to it. Ok. So in the last 5 years there are 16 Tommy entries. Again that is an astonishing number. We are talking entries in OSN, not backoff or barings!

For reference, I know I have had 5 in my 16 years. 5.5 sort of because one was updated with new information at one point. As a player with focus on longevity, I have always tried to minimize backoffs and most certainly entries in the databases. Tommy and his crew seem to play a little differently. Aggressively,. Get the money at all costs. I used to call this "slash & burn", because you were burning your bridges in exchange for getting as much money as you could in the moment. Tommy is/has proven that wrong. He isn't burning bridges. He just keeps going like the energizer bunny regardless of OSN entries.

Now I have developed a theory over the years that to survive OSN entries all a player really has to do is take a short break, and wait for that entry to fall down the list a bit, off the first page. That might be days. That might be weeks. However long it takes for some newer players to get busted. Because casinos personnel that go to the database are 1) usually looking for someone specific and 2) only scroll through the most recent entries. They don't scroll pages and pages unless looking for someone specific. I think Tommy's situation with so many entries kind of proves that theory.

I have a golden rule that you don't want to be the biggest bettor at the table. And now I will add to that you don't want to be the freshest entry in OSN. Mark these as the first 2 of KJs survival/longevity rules.

The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere, or whatever they tell themselves to convince themselves that I am not knowledgeable and can't be the AP that I am. Whatever works for you....boys!

Oh, one other thing. I am in OSN 5 times (5.5 if you count the update). Someone like Tommy is in 100 times I guess, although all can't be confirmed. Any REAL AP or player that wins will get backoffs and eventually be placed in OSN. There is NO avoiding it.

And yet, we have a guy on this forum (and WoV) claiming to have won 10's of millions of dollars playing blackjack and other table games over the past 7-8, while playing rated, and there is no hint of him by name, description, in OSN. Things that make you say hummm.

Again, happy Thanksgiving fellas.

[accountinquestion]

Happy Thanksgiving, KewlJ.

[kewlJ]

Happy Thanksgiving, KewlJ.

Sorry account, I will no longer be acknowledging you after yesterday's cowardly display. I may not be able to avoid reading everything you write, but I will no longer acknowledge you.

[accountinquestion]

Happy Thanksgiving, KewlJ.

Sorry account, I will no longer be acknowledging you after yesterday's cowardly display. I may not be able to avoid reading everything you write, but I will no longer acknowledge you.

Lol the insanity. If you were anywhere near sane you'd simply not said anything. I was and am sincere in wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving.

Use the DMs and reach out to MisterV. He is clearly longing for your embrace.

[accountinquestion]

I can't think of a time when being called a coward has made me continually giggle for many many seconds.

Kewl - I am still opening to betting but you have to define aspects and be willing to post up given you're a totally and a proudly anonymous guy who has no shame when it comes to lying. I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to think you'd pay up a bet. Just examine the incentives and think of how the world works....

But I'm still here if you wish to bet on these things like I said. The amount would be dependent on how much you're willing to post up. Then we have to define what constitutes proof. I'm not a big fan of paper type documents as they're so easy to recreate with digital tools these days but I'm totally willing to do this if you are actually serious.

Don't listen to MisterV. He is clueless about gambling outside of knowing where the entrance to the casino is. I know he has your back but I'm telling you he's an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Calling me coward doesn't get away from the fact that I'm willing to move forward with this.

[kewlJ]

Account, I showeed you a courtesy of telling you why I don't want to deal with your trolling ass anymore. And you responded with more acctinQ type trolling.

What you did yesterday is far worse than the normal trolling on this troll forum. You accused me of lying 18 times and said you could prove it. And you said this dozens of times. When I threw down the gauntlet and said "ok lets go then. Put up money and prove it", you meekly started whiny "I didn't know I would have to prove anything and I didn't know money would be involved".

I don't know how you are not fucking embarrassed to even show up here, but I just want nothing to do with you. Sorry.

And thanks for hijacking my thread on a specific gambling topic. Took you all of 1 minute to hijack and troll the thread.

[MDawg]

Remember when FraudJ told all of us about his database listing containing his online handle kewlJ

I remember. What about it?

Let's just say Red Hand has zippo.....RIP

[MDawg]

kewlJ: just admit that you enjoy telling stories for attention on forums, and will try to stop doing this in the future.

Lol.

I think you just telegraphed to the forum, what you will "find".

Shades of Singer asking if anyone know of the specific 10-play machine that several weeks later he would post pictures of a 1.5 million jackpot.

You might be a decent guy MaxPen as Boz and others are saying, but you are lame as a troll. You proved that with mickeycrimm.

I'm not trolling. I will find out if there are any entries on you and if your online name is being used. You now responding this way tells me I'm on another online waste of time research project. But hey,, I'm a sucker.

If I do this and do find any entry with your forum name. I will then make it public info for your verification that I have the correct person. Unless the entry or entries show that you are not lying nor misleading in any way. I'm about tired of your nonsense.

Stay tuned funny boy.

End result? NO ENTRIES. Zippo. All lies.

[Keystone]

Lol.

I think you just telegraphed to the forum, what you will "find".

Shades of Singer asking if anyone know of the specific 10-play machine that several weeks later he would post pictures of a 1.5 million jackpot.

You might be a decent guy MaxPen as Boz and others are saying, but you are lame as a troll. You proved that with mickeycrimm.

I'm not trolling. I will find out if there are any entries on you and if your online name is being used. You now responding this way tells me I'm on another online waste of time research project. But hey,, I'm a sucker.

If I do this and do find any entry with your forum name. I will then make it public info for your verification that I have the correct person. Unless the entry or entries show that you are not lying nor misleading in any way. I'm about tired of your nonsense.

Stay tuned funny boy.

End result? NO ENTRIES. Zippo. All lies.

Yer not only an inveterate, compulsive, pathological liar, yer an imbecile as well, hey hey.

SN

[MDawg]

If you were anywhere near sane

I don't like you because you insulted me with your bullshit numerous times, FraudJ. I gave you the chance to fess up. Your shuffler story is less likely than any of this shit IMO.

This whole "APs have to believe me deep down inside" is some fairly serious mental illness. This need to hang on to some alternative reality that is clearly false. Sure it satisfies many of your needs. THe persecution need once you lost credibility.

Why would anyone believe anything you say?

Basically once FraudJ went past the math he done fucked up.

You think you've proven your case??? Absolute delusion.
To prove a case you must submit proof. But you never have and never will, remember?

Gentlemen, at this point I'm starting to realize kewl is bipolar. When these people are in a manic state they are often delusional.

You really should seek professional help with your mental illnesses. I think there's more than two. Possibly four....RIP

That UNKewlJ keeps prattling on with repeated inconsistencies as if he’s sealing the deal on anything other than mental illness is the main event at VCT!

Yes, it is a concocted story in order to support the fraudulent storyline that is his wannabe life. This really is a mental illness. FraudJ said he wasn't going to share anything else. He can't help himself. What's funny is he is so ignorant about the realities of the real world that he can't even concoct a story with an ounce of believability. I'm going to blame that on the tunnel gas exposure effects on the brain.

[kewlJ]

Keystone, thank you for realizing and bringing it to everyone's attention, just how completely and inappropriately obsessed these freaks are.

Dawg, Singer and now Acct, are so completely obsessed, it seems like they sit here just waiting for me to post so they can troll. That is their life. Actually, of the 3, I give Singer a little credit, as he just troll when he shows up, not like 1 minute after I post like these other stalkers.

Sometimes I find it amusing that I can control or trigger them. But that kind of entertainment only last so long before you remember just what they are stalking trolls with absolutely no life outside of stalking and trolling me. It is sad. I actually begin to feel bad. It gets to the point that I just say "I don't want to be a part of contributing to that sickness".

here is a test anyone can do. I troll some here. Maybe a lot. especially trolling BACK at those who troll me. But I also contribute and share real experiences from my gambling career. Find me the last time one of these obsessive trolls/stalkers contributed anything useful to this forum.

[accountinquestion]

Account, I showeed you a courtesy of telling you why I don't want to deal with your trolling ass anymore. And you responded with more acctinQ type trolling.

What you did yesterday is far worse than the normal trolling on this troll forum. You accused me of lying 18 times and said you could prove it. And you said this dozens of times. When I threw down the gauntlet and said "ok lets go then. Put up money and prove it", you meekly started whiny "I didn't know I would have to prove anything and I didn't know money would be involved".

I don't know how you are not fucking embarrassed to even show up here, but I just want nothing to do with you. Sorry.

And thanks for hijacking my thread on a specific gambling topic. Took you all of 1 minute to hijack and troll the thread.

You did the courtesy of responding to my sincere Happy Thanksgiving comment with calling me a "coward" or rather "cowardly display". THen you expect me to not respond.

Like I've told you many times ... and explained many times ... It is pretty easy to get keep from dogging you because the amusement I get is limited and requires motivation. A simple "Happy Thanksgiving" back or saying nothing would have sufficed but instead you have to come up with another lie about "no longer acknowledging me" and "cowardly display".

You can't then whine.

Like you don't even understand how gambling works outside of reading this AP stuff on the internet. "Put up the money". Then I don't and you and doofus retired attorney start creaming... er uhm screaming. (Left the typo alone for lolz) Why would I ever "put up the money" and what does that even mean? It is just like some slogan you read somewhere.. you have no idea how betting amongst people works etc.

And again your quotes are completely not true and again I can ask you where did I say that and again you won't respond.

Regardless - Happy Thanksgiving but more importantly ....

Get HELP

[MDawg]

A lightning MDawg copy/paste (and more recently, automated AI) versus…

KJ keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

[accountinquestion]

Keystone, thank you for realizing and bringing it to everyone's attention, just how completely and inappropriately obsessed these freaks are.

Dawg, Singer and now Acct, are so completely obsessed, it seems like they sit here just waiting for me to post so they can troll. That is their life. Actually, of the 3, I give Singer a little credit, as he just troll when he shows up, not like 1 minute after I post like these other stalkers.

Sometimes I find it amusing that I can control or trigger them. But that kind of entertainment only last so long before you remember just what they are stalking trolls with absolutely no life outside of stalking and trolling me. It is sad. I actually begin to feel bad. It gets to the point that I just say "I don't want to be a part of contributing to that sickness".

here is a test anyone can do. I troll some here. Maybe a lot. especially trolling BACK at those who troll me. But I also contribute and share real experiences from my gambling career. Find me the last time one of these obsessive trolls/stalkers contributed anything useful to this forum.

You're so insane. I said Happy Thanksgiving and you went off 10x multiplier style. I wasn't even trolling in the least. You just love to see yourself type and when you run out of stuff you repeat - you start to make up Stories from Mars and .... it just never works out that well.

BTW - I can show you a real take and analysis about rigged shufflers. Explain what is likely true and what is possible. What is publicly known and what isn't.

You on the other hand just make up fantastical stories that will never happen .. then you dig deeper saying you back-counted 200 shoes at a casino to verify this. All coming from a guy who expends extrodinary effort at remaining under the radar.

[accountinquestion]

Mdawg may be crazy but hes not insane.

So I will direct this to him. A guy who understands how real life wagering works.

Happy Thanksgiving !

[Keystone]

Keystone, thank you for realizing and bringing it to everyone's attention, just how completely and inappropriately obsessed these freaks are.

Dawg, Singer and now Acct, are so completely obsessed, it seems like they sit here just waiting for me to post so they can troll. That is their life. Actually, of the 3, I give Singer a little credit, as he just troll when he shows up, not like 1 minute after I post like these other stalkers.

Sometimes I find it amusing that I can control or trigger them. But that kind of entertainment only last so long before you remember just what they are stalking trolls with absolutely no life outside of stalking and trolling me. It is sad. I actually begin to feel bad. It gets to the point that I just say "I don't want to be a part of contributing to that sickness".

here is a test anyone can do. I troll some here. Maybe a lot. especially trolling BACK at those who troll me. But I also contribute and share real experiences from my gambling career. Find me the last time one of these obsessive trolls/stalkers contributed anything useful to this forum.

I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

[MDawg]

Happy Thanks! accountinquestion.

I have been looking at those FPJ timepieces, they certainly do command a high price in the resale market. I haven't analyzed to see if they hold value compared to original MSRP, if they do, could be sustainable could be a FPJ bubble?

[kewlJ]

I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

Singer is the one that I have always gotten a 'gaydar' type vibe from. Also Redeitz always seemed light in the loafers, but that is another story. Singer knows and talks about things that NO straight man knows or talks about. Don't dismiss it because he has been married for decades and has kids. I know many gay guys, including my late partner that went that route. Most usually find the courage to come out and be true to themselves at some point but not all. Singer displays all the classic symptoms of this kind of deeply closeted, deeply self hate type person to me.

I don't think Mdawg is gay, despite rumors of an interest in trannys or girls with dicks or whatever you call them, that he actually pays. His interest in me has to do with gambling. Dawg is a losing gambler. He can tell whatever stories he wants but he is a losing gambler and that explains everything that is missing from his stories. Why he gets comped, why there have never been counter-measures or concern from casinos about a guy playing the limits he claims. And why there is no hint of him or anyone close to his description in any OSN. Remember a while back Dan Druff said their was something "missing" from Dawgs story. The losing is what is/was missing. You accept the losing and EVERY single thing else actually works. All the stuff that doesn't work if he were really winning.

I think Dawg would like to be a winning player, but he isn't. he is a losing player that the casinos love and comp accordingly. And his jealousy of real winning players, myself, axelwolf and others comes through loud and clear. If dawg were really winning the amounts he claimed, there would be absolutely no reason why he would concern himself, 'punch down' at other players winning less than he. NONE.

[MDawg]

It doesn't take much to trigger a

10x multiplier response

from this weak willed mentally ill one.

[Keystone]

I don`t really put Singer or Acctin? in the same category as the SN....they either don`t like you, or enjoy fucking with you, or both....But neither appears to be on this board 24/7 just waiting for you to appear like the Jihad Jerkoff does....and besides, they can articulate and use their own words to insult you unlike the same boring quote posts like this other loser does....like I`ve said before, I really think he`s attracted/fixated on you....pretty creepy, I`d be careful

Singer is the one that I have always gotten a 'gaydar' type vibe from. Also Redeitz always seemed light in the loafers, but that is another story. Singer knows and talks about things that NO straight man knows or talks about. Don't dismiss it because he has been married for decades and has kids. I know many gay guys, including my late partner that went that route. Most usually find the courage to come out and be true to themselves at some point but not all. Singer displays all the classic symptoms of this kind of deeply closeted, deeply self hate type person to me.

I don't think Mdawg is gay, despite rumors of an interest in trannys or girls with dicks or whatever you call them, that he actually pays. His interest in me has to do with gambling. Dawg is a losing gambler. He can tell whatever stories he wants but he is a losing gambler and that explains everything that is missing from his stories. Why he gets comped, why there have never been counter-measures or concern from casinos about a guy playing the limits he claims. And why there is no hint of him or anyone close to his description in any OSN. Remember a while back Dan Druff said their was something "missing" from Dawgs story. The losing is what is/was missing. You accept the losing and EVERY single thing else actually works. All the stuff that doesn't work if he were really winning.

I think Dawg would like to be a winning player, but he isn't. he is a losing player that the casinos love and comp accordingly. And his jealousy of real winning players, myself, axelwolf and others comes through loud and clear. If dawg were really winning the amounts he claimed, there would be absolutely no reason why he would concern himself, 'punch down' at other players winning less than he. NONE.

I disagree...I don`t think I`ve ever come across a man fixated on another like he is with you. I think he`s definitely gay. But if his daddy found out, he`d probably get castrated or something....But who knows with those people. they fuck camels, their own cousins,old ladies etc....I can tell by how he acts he`s quite feminine....no way he has a wife either.(not female anyway)...Just another lie in his fairy tale mind