OSN, Tommy, Me & "others"

[AxelWolf]

Brother, I have never said anything about wishing any harm on you. You're the psycho with the head+gun fantasies. Infact that is why I won't show my list of 18 things because I don't want to dox you in front of your real enemies. Just not cool.

Do you really not realize that? I said Happy Thanksgiving and basically meant it. I hold you no particular ill will. Anyway, my issues with you have been rehashed. I've told you if you didn't bring up the shuffler nonsense or a few other things I'd leave you alone.

Just like you write long-winded pages saving people from Singer and MDawg - I do the same for you. If you would just stick to your posts where you purely regurgitate stuff from the internet and the math works then I'd be fine to just read and let you be.

Again, Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you truly had a good time with your family. Outside of having me repeat your nonsense to others in real life you have done me no harm. Sure I like to get a reaction but it is very clear you like GIVING reactions.

You can see a timeline of people posting on multiple forums all day on Thanksgiving. I guess fake money only goes so far.

Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner?

No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

[kewlJ]

You can see a timeline of people posting on multiple forums all day on Thanksgiving. I guess fake money only goes so far.

Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner?

No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

NICE!

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much. And I know my brother would prefer a steak on the grill which he eats way too often. Luckily there are 364 other days in the year.

Be well and happy Axelwolf.

[MDawg]

Fuck off Axel. AP community? What the fuck do I care about the AP community? I did. But no more. No one in the AP community has supported me.

[kewlJ]

Sure, Axel and I have at times been on opposite sides of a discussion or argument. Mickeycrimm and me too.

But here is a challenge for you dawg. Ask both who they believe more me or you about our gambling stories/background and see what they say. maybe they would say you...i don't know....but I wouldn't bet on that.

OR how about you take it a little further. ask the membership at WoV, where I am not even a member who they believe more, me or you and see what the results are. VCT doesn't work because there is a disproportionate number of trolls and haters to APs.

I don't know if you know this Turtle, but I once asked Wizard if I could do such a poll. He said no and said it wouldn't be fair to embarrass you like that. So at least you got something for your money in paying off Wiz.

[MisterV]

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much.

Coincidentally, I was talking with the attendant at the fitness center I go to and she said her family told her "No more turkey !"

Now she makes what they REALLY want for Thanksgiving: meatloaf wrapped in bacon.

I'd prefer it also, but people seem to put a lot of importance on "tradition," so...

[kewlJ]

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much.

Coincidentally, I was talking with the attendant at the fitness center I go to and she said her family told her "No more turkey !"

Now she makes what they REALLY want for Thanksgiving: meatloaf wrapped in bacon.

I'd prefer it also, but people seem to put a lot of importance on "tradition," so...

I make that sometimes. Both wrapped in bacon and with bacon chopped up inside the loaf. The bacon inside will result in extra grease though.

[MDawg]

All you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

Take just the Villanova nonsense. Besides the repeated contradictions over whether she ever went to college or not, how many years and whether ever graduated (not even a good liar, can’t keep a story straight), we’ve got constant slips of poor grammar (doesn’t know the difference between words like affect and effect, threw and through), and rampant misspellings, including just above

that warrent

, and words like “despense,” "endorce," etc. These sorts of ignoramus mistakes are those of an uneducated high school dropout, not anyone who took any college let alone graduated from one.

Then take the MGM Execs story. First UNKewlJ claimed that he matched MDawg from personal identifying information and promised to disclose it. Then later claimed that no one ever gave him any personal identifying information, and certainly no name. Now, forgetting what she said before, she's returned to claiming that she does in fact have a name. Besides the fact that MDawg was never at any one casino for long in 2021 (or any other year), the absurdity of the story and that she can't even present it consistently, is just more proof of that she

can't help but insert fibs into your postings

such that

the entire thing comes crashing down

- Beyond a reasonable doubt.

For each and every lie UNKewlJ pours out there is sufficient contradiction and evidence to support beyond a reasonable doubt that she did in fact lie, and for many there are flat out admissions or absolute proof.



And lies aside - the obvious mental illness. UNKewlJ’s expressions of mania manifest via painful intensity followed by total confusion. Anyone

manually rephrasing the same old nervous essays over and over

like that at great length - all those 10X Multipliers - is suffering from mania. There is a manic force pounding in the UNKewlJ head that drives it to produce those sheets of text daily. This is not copy/paste, this is not AI automated, we are talking about

a broken brain

pounding out manually over and over sometimes even conflicting, versions of the same thing. Clearly manic depressive probably borderline schizophrenic, where the periods of depression are when she stalks off to shiver under the covers and hide from forum view (

I bid you farewell.

).

Anyone glancing through even a bit of the sheets of text UNKewlJ spews daily knows this to be true. We’re not dealing with someone who is all there and the

pathological lying.

is but a symptom of the obvious mental illness.

The proof is in the pudding as to both the lies and the mental illness. There is nobody here who may objectively deny the existence of both.

[MisterV]

[QUOTE=MDawg;204902]

All you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

hmmm...then again, could it be that perhaps I am merrily trolling the trollers in my "support" of KJ?

[MDawg]

Frankly I don't give a flying fuck whether KJ is what he says or whether he's played y'all like a fiddle.

Supporting him is a game I play "just because."

He may well lie.

KJ lies because it fits in the drama he wishes to surround himself with.

[MisterV]

[accountinquestion]

[QUOTE=MisterV;204906]

All you need to think about, besides the lies that were admitted or established conclusively (of which there were plenty), is the phrase, Beyond a reasonable doubt. V you should know this.

hmmm...then again, could it be that perhaps I am merrily trolling the trollers in my "support" of KJ?

I would not say merrily as you come across quite angry at times. Maybe I just read too much into it because it is aimed at me?

[MisterV]

LOL

WHy should or would I be "angry" with you?

Just words on a screen.

I may allow myself to get momentarily worked up over what I feel is an inane comment and sure, I flame in response...but it's cathartic.

You know, sort of like letting loose with a good "toot" to ease gas pains.

[accountinquestion]

LOL

WHy should or would I be "angry" with you?

Just words on a screen.

I may allow myself to get momentarily worked up over what I feel is an inane comment and sure, I flame in response...but it's cathartic.

You know, sort of like letting loose with a good "toot" to ease gas pains.

I don't know that is just the way I read it. I'd have to go through the posts to know why I think that. I don't remember your random insults that well.

[AxelWolf]

Good morning and happy thanksgiving to most. This post will probably not be interesting to many. But it is to me and I want to share it.

I recently read that Blackjack legend Tommy Hyland has over 100 entries in OSN, that is the database used in Las Vegas and other jurisdictions but heavily used in Vegas. I found this number astonishing! So I asked my friend in the industry if he could confirm that without too much trouble. He couldn't as his access only goes back about 4-5 years. He thinks there is probably a way to access the entries from earlier years but he doesn't have access to it. Ok. So in the last 5 years there are 16 Tommy entries. Again that is an astonishing number. We are talking entries in OSN, not backoff or barings!

For reference, I know I have had 5 in my 16 years. 5.5 sort of because one was updated with new information at one point. As a player with focus on longevity, I have always tried to minimize backoffs and most certainly entries in the databases. Tommy and his crew seem to play a little differently. Aggressively,. Get the money at all costs. I used to call this "slash & burn", because you were burning your bridges in exchange for getting as much money as you could in the moment. Tommy is/has proven that wrong. He isn't burning bridges. He just keeps going like the energizer bunny regardless of OSN entries.

Now I have developed a theory over the years that to survive OSN entries all a player really has to do is take a short break, and wait for that entry to fall down the list a bit, off the first page. That might be days. That might be weeks. However long it takes for some newer players to get busted. Because casinos personnel that go to the database are 1) usually looking for someone specific and 2) only scroll through the most recent entries. They don't scroll pages and pages unless looking for someone specific. I think Tommy's situation with so many entries kind of proves that theory.

I have a golden rule that you don't want to be the biggest bettor at the table. And now I will add to that you don't want to be the freshest entry in OSN. Mark these as the first 2 of KJs survival/longevity rules.

The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere, or whatever they tell themselves to convince themselves that I am not knowledgeable and can't be the AP that I am. Whatever works for you....boys!

Oh, one other thing. I am in OSN 5 times (5.5 if you count the update). Someone like Tommy is in 100 times I guess, although all can't be confirmed. Any REAL AP or player that wins will get backoffs and eventually be placed in OSN. There is NO avoiding it.

And yet, we have a guy on this forum (and WoV) claiming to have won 10's of millions of dollars playing blackjack and other table games over the past 7-8, while playing rated, and there is no hint of him by name, description, in OSN. Things that make you say hummm.

Again, happy Thanksgiving fellas.

I have a Griffen book from around 1999 that at the time lists Tommy Hyland's known associates, addresses, aliases, and phone numbers, including what they were believed to be doing, along with various other stories and information. I don't know how many times he's mentioned in the Griffin book, as I didn't dig into it that deep.

[kewlJ]

Good morning and happy thanksgiving to most. This post will probably not be interesting to many. But it is to me and I want to share it.

I recently read that Blackjack legend Tommy Hyland has over 100 entries in OSN, that is the database used in Las Vegas and other jurisdictions but heavily used in Vegas. I found this number astonishing! So I asked my friend in the industry if he could confirm that without too much trouble. He couldn't as his access only goes back about 4-5 years. He thinks there is probably a way to access the entries from earlier years but he doesn't have access to it. Ok. So in the last 5 years there are 16 Tommy entries. Again that is an astonishing number. We are talking entries in OSN, not backoff or barings!

For reference, I know I have had 5 in my 16 years. 5.5 sort of because one was updated with new information at one point. As a player with focus on longevity, I have always tried to minimize backoffs and most certainly entries in the databases. Tommy and his crew seem to play a little differently. Aggressively,. Get the money at all costs. I used to call this "slash & burn", because you were burning your bridges in exchange for getting as much money as you could in the moment. Tommy is/has proven that wrong. He isn't burning bridges. He just keeps going like the energizer bunny regardless of OSN entries.

Now I have developed a theory over the years that to survive OSN entries all a player really has to do is take a short break, and wait for that entry to fall down the list a bit, off the first page. That might be days. That might be weeks. However long it takes for some newer players to get busted. Because casinos personnel that go to the database are 1) usually looking for someone specific and 2) only scroll through the most recent entries. They don't scroll pages and pages unless looking for someone specific. I think Tommy's situation with so many entries kind of proves that theory.

I have a golden rule that you don't want to be the biggest bettor at the table. And now I will add to that you don't want to be the freshest entry in OSN. Mark these as the first 2 of KJs survival/longevity rules.

The haters will come up with something about me stealing this info from somewhere, or whatever they tell themselves to convince themselves that I am not knowledgeable and can't be the AP that I am. Whatever works for you....boys!

Oh, one other thing. I am in OSN 5 times (5.5 if you count the update). Someone like Tommy is in 100 times I guess, although all can't be confirmed. Any REAL AP or player that wins will get backoffs and eventually be placed in OSN. There is NO avoiding it.

And yet, we have a guy on this forum (and WoV) claiming to have won 10's of millions of dollars playing blackjack and other table games over the past 7-8, while playing rated, and there is no hint of him by name, description, in OSN. Things that make you say hummm.

Again, happy Thanksgiving fellas.

I have a Griffen book from around 1999 that at the time lists Tommy Hyland's known associates, addresses, aliases, and phone numbers, including what they were believed to be doing, along with various other stories and information. I don't know how many times he's mentioned in the Griffin book, as I didn't dig into it that deep.

Interesting. And it didn't stop him, as we fear it might.

But that was a different ERA. Now the databases are computerized and I believe all you need to focus on is not being the first entry or two that pops up when the database is opened. I try to minimize entries, but when I get one, just take a short break while it drops down a bit. Tommy is proof that it isn't the end of the world.

How many times are you in various databases over the years? A guess/estimate is fine.

[kewlJ]

I don't have direct access to OSN. I know some APs do. from what I understand it used to be easy for non-casino people to get into the database through a backdoor method, but that has been shut off.

I just have a friend that alerts me to anything concerning me and that is all I need. I am also very appreciative of having that.

But I am wondering, what the database looks like these days with all the machine and slot AP that players have gravitated to. Are there more machine/slot APs showing up in the databases? Is it filled with multi-carders?

[MDawg]

It also burns UNKewlJ to no end that even more posters at WOV have in recent times been expressing back up for MDawg's winning ways. Aneurisms coming galore for the perennially UNKewl one....

[jdaewoo]

This retard is a closeted homosexual.

[mickeycrimm]

Good to see you posting here a bit Axel. I miss you. Even though we have done our share of arguing, you are a real player who knows what is real and what isn't and unfortunately we have lost most of us and the trolls have just taken over.

So being the naturalist, live off the land, Grizzly Adams guy that you now are, do you shoot your own bird this year? Of did you just catch, cook and eat fish for thanksgiving dinner?

No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

NICE!

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much. And I know my brother would prefer a steak on the grill which he eats way too often. Luckily there are 364 other days in the year.

Be well and happy Axelwolf.

Axel, did Shack move to Bellingham?

[AxelWolf]

No, I haven't been fishing for a few days; I have just been busy with too many other projects. However, I did cook the chicken(instead of turkey, we prefer it) over an open fire after brining it. I have never brined before, but it was very juicy and flavorful. I will forever brine my birds from now on.

NICE!

I am not a big turkey guy myself. Once a year is fine. It is tradition and seems important to my mom. Me personally, being a simple guy, I could enjoy a good Thanksgiving meatloaf (homemade) just as much. And I know my brother would prefer a steak on the grill which he eats way too often. Luckily there are 364 other days in the year.

Be well and happy Axelwolf.

Axel, did Shack move to Bellingham?

I'm not at Liberty to say where Mike is currently living.

As I said before, I grew up in Bellingham, and it's one of my favorite places. My mom lived there for most of her life. It was only in the last 6 months of her life that I brought her to Vegas.

I spend a lot of time looking for River/stream/creek front property there, and it was almost impossible to find what I was looking for.