You are correct.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
There was also a video of (maybe?) the same guy playing 2 machines at once, and some crazy amount of hands per hour.
But that was extrapolated from a <1 hour period, IIRC.
You are correct.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
There was also a video of (maybe?) the same guy playing 2 machines at once, and some crazy amount of hands per hour.
But that was extrapolated from a <1 hour period, IIRC.
I put a $400 ticket in the machine. I must have played 20 hands and hit the Royal. The lady sitting two sets down I apologized to because I had just sat down.Originally Posted by coach bellySo you hit that $6K+ progressive within a few hundred hands, right?Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
Looks like the game was 8/5 DDB. Did the progressive bring the game up to +EV?
I'm guessing no, if the reset was $6K.
Anyway, let this be a lesson to all the naysayer tewls out there...
Singer was right about everything, you can win playing -EV games and using special plays.
This game does seed at $6K
There is also a $2 that seeds at $12 which i've tried to hit... While attempting I've hit 4AWK that one too...
I'd like to see the video of the single line player. See how it was filmed so I can replicate.Originally Posted by coach bellyYou are correct.Originally Posted by smurgerburger
There was also a video of (maybe?) the same guy playing 2 machines at once, and some crazy amount of hands per hour.
But that was extrapolated from a <1 hour period, IIRC.
I found the video...
He played 387 hands over 613 seconds which is just over 10 minutes...
Over 10 minutes, sure I can get very close to that if not beat it I think... Especially if I don't have to play a full hour...
It was playing jacks or better...
No I'm more motivated to see what I can actually do...
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
This was formally proven in book 3 of the Undeniable Truth series.Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKOriginally Posted by coach bellyAnyway, let this be a lesson to all the naysayer tewls out there...Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
Singer was right about everything, you can win playing -EV games and using special plays.
The Big Band Theory
He makes a ton of extra "key strokes" that are not necessary. However, this machine also is registering the payout very quickly. I can't tell if he is actually pressing the button to speed that up or not.Originally Posted by coach bellyOriginally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
I'm not gambling much anymore so I'm not going to casinos every day anymore, or even once a week... I do have a gift card to pickup today, so I'm going to look for a machine that I would be comfortable doing this on and ask permission to film with security. Last time I requested it I had to plan when I was going to go and explain what exactly I was going to do...
When I do it, I will add it to my channel:
When I had a need to do this - the casino I was at had brand new bar - tops. It was comfortable. Saddle up like playing the piano. I always kinda wondered my speed at this vs others. Given all the poker i played and playing only JoB made it faster. I didn't feel I was special.
I also once was sweating a friend at a WSOP final table. They had the camera on a monitor over the table. haha.. I yelled out a congradulatory something another a second before everyone else because I was sweating it. Barry Greenstein looked at me and smiled. Probably just because I was some loud excitable geek.
Not saying I'm fast at anything else. Played one of those gambling games where you competed against other people. Something like blackjack. Only saw it once. Had a friend who was an infamous all around hustler and a good 10 years older than me. Did lots of coke and drugs in his life. I couldn't even compete .... was in awe. I could always learn a million things from him. From picking up skanky younger girls in the casino .. how to test their honesty .. how to .. this that.. Most people were just disgusted by him though.
Anyway.. i'm bored.
This is all nonsense. 2400 hph = nonsense.
Playing for a slot card status = gambling addict nonsense. (These are the type of players who use casino ATM's)
Stations has numerous point multiplier days, and NO ONE should ever play at those casinos outside of those days.
Kew as usual has always been full of shit with his claims of getting "millions" in FP with his aids-infected fatass old fart friend, and with his supposed "knowledge "about "how things work in LV".
There is no discernible reason to have any type of passionate desire to make the drive to LV just to try and get Chairman level over President....unless you've wised up and like to get the hell out of that cesspool Newsome made out of California.
Wife wants cruises... if this is a cheaper way to do it I'm going to...Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I was going to go Monday for a multiplier day, but can't... Next one is going to be the 27th. I may go...
agree though on that!
You might do 10 hands a minute on the 50 play.Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKI looked online and it was confusing but it is $1 VP for 1 tier creditOriginally Posted by coach bellyCan you provide an example of how much VP machine time is needed to make "Chairman"?Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
I'm having trouble understanding how a fulltime blackjack pro would have the time to make status playing VP, especially when his play is intended to generate and redeem freeplay, and he played less than he had in previous years.
According to the link provided, the status earning periods are 6 moths long, is that correct?
Status Credit Periods are:
JANUARY 1 – JUNE 30
JULY 1 – DECEMBER 31
If you play $1 video poker where it is $5 per play. Each hand earns 5 points. I can play at least 40 hands per minute which would be 200 points a minute, 12,000 points per hour.
What I would do to just get points and have less variance, they have some 50 play machines.... Play $25 a push Bonus Poker, where you are earning 25 points a hand, This would require me to play 2600 hands, on this game it is a little slower, with the turbo button on figure 35 hands per minute so take me roughly an hour and a half.
I put on just over 200,000 tier points my last trip.
The world record holder on single line did about 40 hands per minute but he had to play two machines at the same time to do it.
You are way overestimating your HPH. Count yourself down for one minute and you will see it.
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Druff, let us know when you receive redietz’ credit score.
Somehow I missed this thread. Interesting stuff. I have a few things to comment on here.
First, regarding hand speed, I actually took note of it back when I was going for Seven Stars (back in the day when it was worth it). This is because I preferred lower variance, but also didn't want to play something too low and take forever, even if it was the same paytable.
I determined that I played about 500 hands per hour. My speed is relatively fast but not blazing fast. Therefore, I could not imagine anyone being able to run 2400 hands in an hour. That would be almost 5 times faster than I play. Note that 500 hands per hour is still about 1 hand every 7 seconds, so it's not like I'm dawdling.
Regarding President/Chariman at Stations.... No, it's not worth it. Like Caesars, your status doesn't translate to offers. It just offers some additional guaranteed benefits, which isn't very exciting. Also, the length of time you remain Chairman is relatively short. You keep your Stations status until December 31st (if you earn it before July 1), or until the following June 30 (if you earn it July 1 or later). This means you never have the status for a full year without having to re-earn it, and you could have it for as little as 6 months. At Caesars, you keep it until January 31 of TWO CALENDAR YEARS away, meaning any status earned in January 2026 will last until January 31, 2028! The same status earned at Stations in January would expire December 31, 2026!
Now, regarding Caesars and the cruise certificate, trust me when I say it's not worth playing the shitty VP at Caesars Vegas to earn status to get cruise discounts or offers. In most cases, you only get a shitty inside cabin anyway, plus have to pay a $200 admin fee per person, plus taxes & port fees. At Seven Stars you get a balcony cruise (last I checked), but that's still not worth all that much.
I would suggest just earning Diamond, waiting until LESS than 90 days before the cruise is scheduled to depart, and start checking for bargain prices. That's after cancellation is allowed for under 50% penalty, so they know people won't cancel/rebook to get cheaper rates, and they start dumping balcony cabins (and insides, for that matter) CHEAPLY if they aren't selling well. Look for around the 45-90 day mark especially, as that's when the cruises get cheapest.
I always remind people... cruises are NOT airlines! You will NOT get a cheaper cruise by booking in advance, unless it's a rare or major holiday itinerary. Otherwise you are MUCH better off waiting until fewer than 90 days before the cruise to book.
You will also get something like 14% off (they say 20%, but it actually breaks out to about 14%, for reasons I won't get into) for being Diamond. You just book through what is called "Casinos at Sea", and give them your Caesars info. No play is expected of you. You will get the going rate seen on the website, minus around 14%, plus I think you get some free drinks last I checked.
I have gotten some incredible cruising deals this way.
I have a lot of other cruising tips if you'd like to hear them -- both regarding getting value for your money, and general enjoyment of it (at least from my perspective).
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I was going to do chairman today since it is a 10x multiplier day, but decided against it last night...
Harrah's San Diego had 5x multiplier and supposedly the cruise line the wife and kid want to go on are partnered with Caesars. The plan is to get on a cruise cheap through diamond card and get rated in the casino.
So I decided to go get diamond in a day last night...
Oh my how miserable... Harrah's San Diego VP is terrible... I hated playing... 6/5 bonus... Terrible...
I put on about 3000 points, cost me about $2500 playing $25 6/5 bonus. With the 5x multiplier I essentially already made it... I couldn't take the bad pay table anymore so drove 10 miles up the road to Pala to play some real games...
Sat at a 8/5 bonus machine with $1000 loaded in... I got down to my last $25 bet and spun it back up to $1000! I was thrilled! I played a little more and got dealt 4 to the royal with a dealt flush in hearts... POW i got it!
Took my payout, cashed out the 800 in the machine and drove back to Harrah's... Gonna do diamond in a day proper and get the 5000 tier points and 25000+10000 bonus tier points...
So played 8/5 triple double this time... Terrible pay table... Hit 4 aces pretty quick without a kicker...
Played a little more then got 4 9s...
I was unfortunately not successful in locking up multiple machines which is my favorite thing to do...
So I play a little more and the 3k I gave myself to hit diamond with was 3 x $100 bills on the machine. I looked at my card and I earned 5100 something tier points, so got diamond in a day, I hit my goal and have $ in my pocket... I decided to load the last $300 in the machine and bump it up to $10 triple double bonus...
BAM got it. Holy shit what a fucking night I got the kicker I yelled....
Diamond in a day task complete... Grabbed my cash and got the fuck outta there...
Sooooo tempted to drive to vegas for 10x points today though... But I think I'm done... Gonna enjoy this one...
Beautiful hits!
Congrats to you slappyfunk!!
Come on to Vegas. Don't be a baby.
Expected Value is NOT an opinion.
The drive is -EVOriginally Posted by kewlJCongrats to you slappyfunk!!
Come on to Vegas. Don't be a baby.
Yes I have some free play, but 8 hours driving and spending the night there is not work $300 to me..
I hear ya. Going to be cold (40 degrees) anyway tonight. Easily coldest night of the year or since last Jan. Not that it matters in casinos.
Expected Value is NOT an opinion.
I'll go again next year when I have the right offers I can stack.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Jason, you DO realize that even with that nice looking collection of winners, you really didn't win anything, right? Playing those -EV games means you're losing money on every hand you play--And when you can't "bank" any of that ev......Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKI'll go again next year when I have the right offers I can stack.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Just wondering: how's the California Dept. of Revenue treat W2G wins over there? Do they take out something when you're hand-paid? Do you get to deduct losses like on IRS forms? I know there's some states that allow no losses deducted--they tax you on your signer wins period.
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