Covid-19 by the numbers

[redietz]

Just picked up on something thats skewing the covid death stats. People dying of other diseases are being counted as covid deaths. 8700 people a day die in the USA. If you die of a heart attack but tested positive for corona then you are recorded as a covid death. This can't help but skew the death stats.

I really didn't want to post, but I'll correct this. Mickey, instead of just googling one thing, why don't you check out the flip side? C'mon, man.

People who die WITH coronavirus are sometimes being counted as having died OF coronavirus, which is incorrect. However, more people are dying from coronavirus or coronavirus-caused problems and NOT being counted because testing is generally not being done on decedents. Cardiac arrest is a common culmination of a coronavirus death, but in many jurisdictions it's going to be listed as "cardiac arrest," not coronavirus, without a test. As I mentioned in another post regarding coroners, coroners in some locales are not assigning coronavirus as cause of death because the decedents were not tested. Now in some other locales, the coroners have leeway to assign it and are doing so. But some of the coroners who have leeway to assign it without testing prefer to not do so because that's a specific diagnosis and there has not been a test.

Don't take my word for it. Coroners have been interviewed in the last week and their comments can be googled. I happened to follow it some because Pennsylvania coroners were quoted and a friend of mine picks up bodies to be transported to funeral homes in Pennsylvania.

The truth regarding number of deaths is not going to be known, even ballpark-wise, until a year or two years after the event, which is how the 1918 was tallied. Two years after this is over, the CDC will have some sense of how many died.

Redietz. C'mon, man. When are you going to revise all those alarmist stats you put up. All those models you followed? They are all revising downward. Its gone from 2.2 million deaths all the way down to 60K. What is that? Like 90%? When are you going to revise your stats, Mr. Alarmist. Or are you going to stick with the bullshit?

I assume you wanted a response, so I'll oblige. If you'll go back and see what prompted some people to be upset, it was when Boz mentioned the Trade Tower deaths, and I said this should sprint by it by a factor of 30. That was actually in line with the optimistic versions of the models that said, if distancing was enforced nationwide, we were looking at 80K to 85K deaths. After the first two meteoric days of New York problems, I said "I was wrong" (regarding the 80-85K deaths), and I had been way too optimistic. It was a couple of days later that Trump gave the 100K figure in a task force briefing, which was followed by a revision less than 36 hours later to between 100K and 200K. Now if you are going to say that I was somehow wrong at that point in time, you realize you have to say that Trump was more wrong.

Some things to consider, again, is that the 60K numbers are framed the way they are for reasons, probably to push for business openings. Those numbers are NOT for 2020. Those numbers are NOT for the entire pandemic, which may last several years. Those numbers ARE for up-to-August 4th estimates.

The virus doesn't know it's supposed to go vacation starting August 4th. If you'll notice, the beginning of August leaves five more months in the year. Good luck with the end date for the pandemic. Good luck with no second and third waves. If you'll also notice, you'll see that the 1918 pandemic totals are for the entire pandemic, which stretched for the better part of three years, I believe.

Mickey, you're stacking of stats with this is really just about as bad as MDawg counting the sessions that he wins. It's that bad. People dying in October do count, you know.