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[redietz]

It appears that handicappers have long detested steam chasers like Frank B and Spanky that snipe the numbers. They call them bottomfeeders and leeches. Why would that be?

Well, it looks like plain and simple HUBRIS to me. The fundamental analysis that the handicapper does....takes a lot of work. But the guys sniping numbers are making money with very little work. I can see why redietz would be jealous.

Red, tell us about the good old days when you were hobnobbing with Bob Martin and Vic Salerno.

OMG -- "steam chasers!" There you go -- file that with "sharps" and "soft numbers" and you have a triumvirate of jargon every blue-blooded American AP can proudly wear into the sports book.

I don't call anyone a bottom-feeder, man. I'm sure Joe Lupo considered me a real flounder back in my youth.

Mickey -- this whole "making money with very little work" is hogwash. It's fantasy trash. It's a story people tell themselves to help them sleep at night.

"Sniping numbers?" LOL. You have to anticipate where numbers will move before you do any sniping. This assumption that numbers moves in all sports are advantageous a significant portion of the time is more fantasy. Now that Covid-based line moves are history, that stuff is of marginal value UNLESS YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THE MOVES.

Dan's been using those kinds of angles for the NBA and college hoops. It has not been pretty. And did you check the NFL playoffs' "soft numbers?"

Mickey, here's the thing. You are embarrassing yourself. And frankly, I'm embarrassing myself by spelling this stuff out to you. It's like I'm picking on special ed kids on this forum. You have a group of APs who are telling the world they win at sports betting. But there's no handicapping records. There's no day-to-day listing of "sniping numbers." There's just the AP narratives.

Now it's possible to have stellar handicapping records and to lose betting sports. Some people lack sport-specific discipline or just go to hell when the going gets tough. But do you really think people without solid handicapping records win betting sports because they exploit "soft numbers?" You're living in fantasyland, just making unverifiable claims about what people have done and can do.

I'll state it again -- Billy Walters had access to every expert in virtually every sport, he negotiated reduced vig, he had programmers out the ass, certainly better mathematicians than Mr. Shackleford, and even he had long losing stretches where he took good beatings. Yet your story is that the hard-scrabble APs betting 2G a game somehow use "AP" techniques to exploit "soft numbers" and consistently beat the sports books.

If that's your preference in beliefs, God bless you and good luck with it.