Professional Sportsbetting

[mickeycrimm]

What I have difficulty with:

1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.

One thing about redietz is he don't double-check things to get details correct before he commits words to the screen.

Unger is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He was a compulsive gambler. He could beat tournament poker and gin rummy. Then he would dump the money to live poker, horse racing, blackjack and sports betting. In the NFL he bet every game every week. A bookie's dream. He could never keep a bankroll.

Ivey is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He's a compulsive gambler that loses to everything but poker. He generally couldn't make it past the craps table on his way from the poker room. He was a big time sports betting loser too. He would dump his poker winnings and more. He was not an expert in edge sorting. He was convinced by those in the know to use a professional edge sorter.

I don't know that Bob Dancer quit sports betting altogether. I know that he got caught in the losing streak on safeties in the Super Bowl with Shack and that soured him on some things. But his long running partner, Richard Munchkin, recently moved into sports betting and as I've heard he is doing pretty good with it.

Redietz doesn't know this but years ago Dancer replaced Frank Kneeland on GWAE because Kneeland was expert only in video poker. Dancer wanted people that were experts on multiple games. Much to redietz' chagrin, Munchkin is expert on multiple games.

FYI it was Fankie who started the show and brought on Dancer.

Take this for what it's worth since it is hearsay.

Several of Fanky's confidants were very angry with Bob and they claimed Bob pushed Franki out and took over the show.

Yes, I know. I talked to Frank over the phone about it when it happened.