Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

Nestor & Kane did not utilize the DU play as an "AP move" in any way. They were degenerate vp gamblers who stumbled across a machine glitch and very sloppily beat it to death without a structured plan, in any sense of the word.

The reason I was able to play it very profitably for nearly 5-1/2 years before these bozos destroyed it for me (and, for possibly anyone else taking advantage of the play) is because, as a non-AP, I approached the anomaly as being able to "rob" the machines undetected, by coming up with methods that would absolutely keep all eyes off of me throughout the process. One win/one casino is not a policy for lazy-ass/helter-skelter players.

After the fact, you can say it was "the greatest vp AP move of all time"....guaranteed to make a sizeable profit time after time after time. But at the time I was no AP; I simply & painstakingly manipulated certain machines and outsmarted the casinos--and in a way that still makes me feel like a king every time I step into ANY of the many, many Nevada casinos I put the play down in every corner of the state.
Oh Please!!!!!

Surveillance is going to take a look at any sizable hand pay jackpot. It only takes a few seconds to review the actions of the play. Strip casinos, such a jackpot is routine, so isn't going to draw that much attention, but still they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't review it for a few seconds.

Mid-sized casinos, like Stations, Boyds, South Point, and I will include Silverton, even though a little bit smaller, surveillance is absolutely going to take a minute and review the win. And any casino smaller, players playing the limits Rob claims is so rare they will absolutely scrutinize the play.

Now look, here is the play: Player hits a jackpot. He then inserts more money into the machine which triggers the option to change denomination.

That is NOT freaking normal actions. Nobody inserts more money immediately after hitting a jackpot like that. This action would ABSOLUTELY be noticed.

Maybe you get some sleepy, surveillance that just doesn't give a damn, BUT you sure aren't going to go 5 and a half years tricking competent surveillance crews with this play. Not a chance in hell.