Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
I don't include losing hands as contributing to wins. That's like the "Phantom bucks" Rob Singer talks about.

If you want to include them in how you play go ahead.
We both play $1 8/5 BP for just two hands. I get a 20% loss rebate and you get nothing. The first hand we both get two pair for a 5 credit profit. The next hands we both lose so we both lose 5 credits. Here you'll just break even. I'll get 20% back of that loss for a 1 credit or $1 profit. Who won?

Even if we lost both hands, I still come out ahead of you by $2. Like any other advantage play, you won't always win.
Not exactly the way I want to play and definitely not the way I want to keep my books.

At the end of the day instead of losing $5 per hand you've lost $4 per hand. You think that's a measure of success?

Wow.

Once again: loss rebates don't make you win. They only take the sting out of losing.

Now to directly respond to the example you gave: is there a casino such as M that will give you a partial rebate with one lost hand, or do they want you to lose the entire $500 before you get the rebate?

I only know of rebates that are paid after the full amount is lost. So again do you want to lose to get back only 20% or whatever percentage of your money?

It's absurd if you want to lose to get a rebate that won't make you whole.

This entire discussion is absurd.

Rebates do not make you whole.