Originally Posted by 
Alan Mendelson
                     
                Arc, you are really starting to frustrate me.  I can't believe you wrote this:
Then why do you keep claiming you can win on negative machines with win/loss goals? That IS challenging the ER. You can't claim you will win on negative machines without overcoming the casino edge.
For the umpteenth time, walking away with a profit has nothing to do with challenging the ER or overcoming the casino edge.  Do you not understand the concept?  What is the problem here that you are having?