Originally Posted by danfed View Post
Peter, I wonder what's going to happen when Frank Kneeland concludes that there's no merit to the Singer strategy in terms of ongoing positiive financial results. I'm guessing he'll be reclassified as just another "addicted" AP'ers who need to write books and consult with casinos to actually earn a living.

It's funny as hell to see what's happening on vpFree's board. Singer has been allowed to post there as long as he doesn't promote/comment on his system. If you never met this guy nor read his typical tirades, you'd actually think he's a nice guy based on what he writes there. He's calm, insightful and even witty. I can see through this as clear as day.....he's sucking up to Kneeland as being his last hope to convince that his system has merit.

Rob, having the most viewed post due to the reason that most people despise you isn't something that I'd be proud of. Peter does make a very sound point....where are your supporters and more importantly, those disciples who you have personally trained who are consistently making money with your system? You claim to have taught about 500 people. Presumably, if they follow your system, they should be able to replicate your results, right? So, there are 500 or so people walking around with the knowledge of how to make just less than $100K/yr. and to do this in about 43 sessions. Do I have all this correct? I hope so as I'm using your numbers that you've provided on this very board. I'd love to meet one or two of these people in the flesh.

Unlike you, I don't know of many AP'ers who claim to make $100K/yr. playing vp. They may be out there but not in the circles I run. If I could make $100K/yr. gambling, I'd like give up my primary gig. Then again, I'd probably play 86 sessions a year and earn $200K....I'm a bit more ambitious than most.

Not to harp on this but you claim to have a system that makes $100K/yr. and you're happy to share it for free and you've had 500 people already take you up on this offer. If this were possible, you'd have a vast majority of these 500 telling all of us non-believers how much they're making and with enough verification, others would be jumping on board this money making system and you'd be hearalded as the smartest gambler of all time.

Can you see why this doesn't pass the stink test with the overwhelming majority of people?

Alan, just had a thought that might cut thru the chase with the never ending debate. How about this....

I'm not sure if I have all the facts straight but this is what I recall. Rob says that he needs about $57-58K bankroll for his strategy. To get an unbiased review of his system, how about a little experiment? Designate someone to be the player. I might suggest Slappy but you might have someone else in mind. Rob escrows the required bankroll and you front the player an equivalent amount of actual bankroll. Under Rob's tutelage and perhaps even his direct supervision, the player plays the 40 or so sessions that Rob deems is necessary for his system to be financially successful. If the player wins, Rob gets the profit....the equivalent of him having a free employee out making money for him. If his system loses, your losses are reimbursed by the escrow amount. Where does this get good for you? Well, just think about it....you can cut an upfront promotion deal with Rob where you would actually produce his full system on video and sell it exclusively on your website. Rob makes money on these sales and you get a cut along with all the enhanced traffic to the website. You can even video some of the individual sessions and the player can even have a blog where he can post his daily experiences and results. Once again, unless I'm missing something, this has to be a win-win if Rob's system has merit. If it doesn't, perhaps we can finally put all the bickering to rest and Rob will have to concede that his system doesn't work.

Your thoughts?

Dan
Dan: I understand your need to input against me here. Why Not? You were just humiliated after making one of the dumbest, most incomplete, most unprepared, and most unknowledgeable challenges in the history of video poker.

If you actually read what Frank wrote before he got sick of watching arcimedes interfering & make a fool out of himself, you'd see that HE approached ME to review my play strategy. You might want to pay attention to what he reports. Then you might want to prepare yourself.

As far as the people I've trained, you will never see the majority come onto any forum and mention it because most aren't as skilled as I am and haven't the stomach for being blindly ridiculed. Look in the mirror my friend. Whenever any poster says anything positive about my approach or disagrees with AP, YOU immediately accuse them of being me! I assume you've inherited that paranoia from arci.

Do you recall reading where I train players how to play but as yet, I have not found one player capable of being able to handle what I do. You ought to be familiar with reason #1 because you just had a taste of it yourself: They don't have the bankroll to play it. Next, they don't have either the discipline, the math ability, or the determination. That's why Frank is a good choice to review what I do. He has the ability, the money and the discipline to understand it and play it if he chooses to.

I'm willing to bet you (uh-oh...I don't want to scare you away) that you don't know ANY so-called APer's who win anything other than the right to over-value their slot club benefits so they can claim to be winners. Ask your pal arci about that one.

Once again you're proposing something that you have trouble identifying. Have you heard that I'm retired and will only consider accepting playing challenges like the one you couldn't get right? Here's the flash again: I'm not like your hero Dancer---I didn't start playing professionally with $6000 and then enter into a curse of having to work for the rest of my life just to KEEP on gambling. I actually prepared for retirement FIRST, and now we're becoming full-time RV'ers in Jan. But if you ever get this challenge thing right and you can find the financial backers, let me know!