tableplay I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm a recreational player. I enjoy craps, I enjoy video poker. I understand everything you are saying about coin flips and payoffs. You don't have to go into the detail.

As a recreational player I do what I enjoy. I enjoy the challenge of craps because while I cannot control dice or influence it to any meaningful degree, I enjoy the challenge of trying. For me, craps is actually a skill game even though I've seen only three players who have shown me the skill. Maybe regnis is the fourth? I don't know I haven't played with regnis.

I'm also a very practical player. I have a budget and I stick to it. I stick to bets that I believe give me a better chance of winning. I only play 8/5 Bonus Poker. At Red Rock they even have 8/5 Bonus at the 25-cent level and when I play VP now that's what I play.

If I ask questions it's because it's in my nature to ask questions. I had a 40+ year career of asking questions. Sometimes the questions hit paydirt and I won an Emmy or I put the bad guys in prison. If I read "X" and someone says they see it as "Z" I'm going to ask why? That's what happened with kewlj: it happened with reading two tables and it happened with his use of the term EV.

If I'm at a craps table tomorrow and some shooter throws three Yos in a row I am not going to bet the Yo for his fourth toss, just like yesterday when a shooter threw aces three times in a row I did not bet aces on his fourth throw -- and neither did anyone else at the table and the next roll was a 6.

I'm tired of the attacks and I'm tired of the same song from MisterV who has been hounding me for about 20 years now -- all because I said years ago that I think dice influencing is possible. I never claimed I could do it. I just said it's possible, and he's been on my case ever since.

Well now I'm really done. Participating here has become a -EV effort. I am not learning anything from anyone and I don't need to be here to defend myself against ludicrous statements such as "why didn't you bet the yo after you saw it for the tenth time?" I didn't bet the yo after ten times because a smart craps player wouldn't bet the yo after one time.

I know kewlj has told this forum many times he's leaving but he returns. The difference is kewlj needs this forum and I don't.

So good luck to all of you, I'm taking a break. A long, long break. MisterV find someone else to pick on.