Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
I don’t get a couple of things. Let’s say you earned 6 / 7 hundred dollars of free play per week for a month chopped up between four or five different casino groups, along with a burger and coke for each couple of day or week period.

How much coin did you have to put in to get that?

Do these free play tickets cover your loses while earning them in the first place?

Don’t you have to play through each free play once before it becomes your cash to take home?

I don’t see any free play exceeding $100.00 and most are for $50.00 per casino per group date. Let’s say each time you try to play through the one time amount you don’t win anything. How much of your own money do you have to put in to earn those free play tickets again?

Like that ass-hole Max-Pen said you showed us how to earn 40 or 50 K a year in free play. Yes, you sure did. You didn’t show us how much it cost in loses to earn that.

Where I really get stomped is when you tell me the casinos are giving you 50K in free play per year with food, cruises, a warm place to sleep, enough gifts it sounds like where you could open your own thrift shop instead of handing them out for free, and you could earn six figure annual profits from winnings.
Knowing the trigger points on how much action gets how much freeplay is a big key to success. It can be done by trial and error but AP's have been trading this information back and forth on various casinos for years. vpFREE had a Las Vegas Locals forum that not just anyone could get into. You had to be a known quantity to get in. Dancer was the most prominent member. This kind of information was traded on that site. I don't know if the site is still active.

Take monet's Palms mailer. If the trigger point to get that $1200 a month is a $50,000 wager then the freeplay is worth 2.4%. (1200/50000 = 2.4%). At last report the Palms has $1 NSUD, a 99.73% game. Add it up and it's a 2.13% advantage. I could do the 50K wager in about 10 hours of play. It would be about a $1000 theoretical earn. That's about $100 per hour.

If you have to run 100K to get the $1200 then it's a .93% edge. It would be a theoretical earn of about $900 but it would take twice as many hours to run the action so an hourly of about $45.
Why did you have to break it down for him like that? You forgot to factor in point days or just that you always play on a .3 cashback card. Anyways I never understood why you gave him such a hard time. Many of these members are in serious war with other members getting vulgar with one another. I try to stay out of that as much as possible.

He also thinks you only get a free burger and coke. That's not the case. I can literally eat in the Steak House every night of my choice in the Casinos I play at. He also thinks you have to lose to earn these mailers which is also false.

Anyways I'm tired of trying to teach or help. I typed out so much information in my posts here and at WoV it is just too simple to understand. Although I kinda understand not getting it because when people were teaching me cherry pies, diamond mines and boom machines I didn't get it right away either. When they showed me 101% video poker games and strategy I didn't get it either. I finally got it when the money started rolling in on point days and promotions and the cards back then were .6 off the jump. I really understood it when free play offers rolled in and hosts gave me large comps for little play back then. The list goes on and on. It's not as easy these days but it still is viable. The Problem is believing in it. Sometimes people just never will accept you can beat machines.