Originally Posted by LMR View Post
There are only two models to explain our existences: 1) through some act of a Creator (call it the creationist model), or 2) through the natural laws of science that exist today (the evolutionist model). There is no third way, no matter how hard you think about it.
What of a combination of the above models, or a model that contains also the above models? What of models that are guessed at, something beyond thought? Or, of a model based on thought, itself, as "thought of thought", a type and degree of paradox-resolved? What if reality has no nature, to begin with, that the answer is really no answer? What if the answer doesn't involve how hard one thinks, or how intelligent one can become? What if there is no model at all, that we don't really, and actually, exist, per se? What if every dimension is its own type and degree of model, if the real numbers, themselves, don't really make up every (real) mathematical dimension? What of a model that "just is", which isn't based on anything it describes or predicts? If what is known is understood, and, what is understood is known. A model that doesn't, per se, limit itself.
Good point. Lol. I guess if we consider models based on twilight zone things, there are three. So to summarize all the stuff you said up there, the third model is we don’t really exist in any form, but we think we exist. We’re basically waking around as illusions.

But if we get back to reality, there only two ways to explain our existence. They boil down to: 1) someone, meaning a higher intelligence (some would call God, or a Creator) created us (creation) or, 2) we created ourselves through the natural laws of the universe (evolution).

Btw, this is the kind of questions or comments I’ll get in my seminars. Someone will bring something up that is so ridicules (like we really don’t exist while we think we exist) they think they’ve stumped me. It’s actually kind of funny. Most the time the audience can tell these people are bunch of idiots. It makes things interesting and entertaining when I get twilight zone questions.