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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Why do we need to unify everything? Why are you trying to unify Relatively Theory with Quantum Theory? How do you know everything is unified? They are both explaining different things. It sounds like you’re coming at this problem from one side, the evolutionary side. Evolutionist try to unify everything.
    Properly and fully done, to comprehend the further diversity in things. The things unified never become each other. Only, there is a common "thread" between things. To understand the connections between things. Whatever the universe is, it is a one something. So, as there is a limit to connections between things, there is a limit to the connection among things. Can't have two, or more separate universes that are one universe, however defined. Continuity balances discontinuity. The two can't happen separately, or as one thing. Sounds more like I have realized that science requires other areas of thought to properly and fully appreciate itself. That the end goal is neither science, nor anything else.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Einstein made this same mistake since he was an evolutionist. He wanted everything unified and he worked on this problem during the latter part of his life and got no where. I don’t know if you’ve heard of “string theory”, but that’s what’s going on right now. It’s the new goofball fad in physics to try to unify things. There are major universities actually funding this stuff.
    I don't know that you've heard that Einstein made many, many fundamental discoveries over many, many, areas of science. No doubt, he went his own way, apart from the scientific community, but, this was for most of his scientific career, not, just the latter part of it, as he grew older with trying to exhaust his views about the two main theories of physics. He was, in a very basic way, the "father" of also Quantum Theory, because of his attempts to disprove it. Who's to say that he wasn't right? There is work going on now that has to do with what lies beneath quantum physics. It could just be that the one is based on the other. His theories were called, Jewish physics. I suppose that goofball wasn't popularly in use, a hundred years ago. A hundred years later, people are, still, making the same childish mistakes in summarily judging new theories. Did you know that the scientific community remained intensely interested in all of Einstein's work, in all of his career? Ha, they "feared" him. He believed in one unique solution to the universe. A "just is" universe. Now most physicists still believe that there is no reason that there aren't many different versions of physics, and, laws of science. I like to pursue the notion that both notions are correct. Even that even our mistakes have existence.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    As a creationist, I can be more open minded and look at the data objectively. Maybe all these fields should not be unified because God created different forces for different things. The atom works different than the planets in our solar system. There’s a reason the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics can’t be unified. It’s because they’re different. Have you ever considered that?

    It’s the same reason humans can’t be unified with apes or fish whatever else the evolutionist tries to unify us with. It’s because God created us differently. From a genetics standpoint there is no way to get from an ape to a human. And there is no evidence of any transitional fossils in the fossil record, which supports the creation model.
    Again, not everything is, purely, continuous. Were, eg, time continuous, then how could it come to any given time? You are asking the universe to do impossible feats, and, then, claiming "victory" at the result.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Here’s the thing, when it comes to the question of our origins this is outside of true science. Why? Because Science operates in the here and now. It does not operate in the past. All we can do is look at the evidence we have here today, and use it to try to predict the past.
    The universe is, still, creating itself. It's called quantum entanglement. Particles from the distant "past" making themselves known, known to us, only now. The collapsing of those quantum wave functions in our here and now.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    For most intelligent people, the design and complexity of life and the universe indicates a Designer (Creator) must have been behind it.
    Nobody knows. At least the scientists will admit this much.
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