Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
Anyway, I know Kj and many APs think it's impossible for someone to enjoy gambling in casinos without having an advantage, but I've seen it first hand many times.

Yes, there are many people that enjoy casinos and they are there because they see it as a form of entertainment. They are NOT there because they are degenerates or problem gamblers.
You know you are dishonest Bob21, you really are! It is becoming harder and harder to even bother to respond to you.

I never said anything remotely like that it is impossible for someone to enjoy gambling without playing with an advantage. Of course many, many people gamble responsibly, playing at a disadvantage for entertainment purposes. Even I do! During football season, and college basketball, especially march, which we were denied this year, I bet a handful of games every weekend. Sometimes teams that I have rooting interest in, like the Eagles or Villanova basketball, and sometimes just the games that are going to be on TV so that I do have an interest in. lol.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with responsible gambling for entertainment value. Hell as a professional AP, we need the gambling public to make their deposits.

AND there is nothing predatory about that business model IF they had stopped there. And some casino's do, but some engage in the predatory practices that I discussed earlier. When casinos started cashing checks for senior citizens on social security decades ago, and paychecks so working fathers spend their money before they get home to put food on the table, they crossed from that responsible gambling entertainment model into "preditory" zone.

And I will tell you something else that is predatory behavior and that is the practice of free drinks. Why do casinos provide patrons with free drinks? Is it just to be nice and enhance players entertainment enjoyment? Or it is because they know that players will lose control and gamble more than they intended to, more than they can afford? That is the definition of a predatory business model. You don't see restaurants offering free drinks to enhance your dining experience do you?

I think I put you on ignore a while back when you first joined and somewhere along the line, I decided to give you a second chance, but between every freaking thing out of your mouth being a political attack on someone and constantly trying to divide people by politics and now you frequent twisting and manipulation of things said, very similar to how Alan used to do, I am real close to be done with you for good.

Do you know what bigotry is? Bigotry is the hatred of people who are different that you, usually based on race, sex, religion or sexual orientation. But it can just as well be based on politics. To demonize people that may not look like you, or prey the same way, or love another person the same way, or share your view on politics is a reflection of how small you are.
Okay, where do I start? I just reread Dan's rules and there is NO rule against not responding to me, so if you don't want to respond to me, then don't! And guess what there is NO rule against putting someone on ignore, so if you feel like you need to do that, then go ahead and put me on ignore. I just want to make sure you understand that if you do that you won't get banned...that is, unless the rules change.

And guess what, if you don't respond to me, or if you decide to ignore me, it will have NO effect on my life...like I'm talking ZERO effect! So if I was you, I'd do that, since I can see you can't handle reading opinions that don't agree with yours. That's not surprising since you're a liberal and as we all know liberals, in general, struggle with people who think differently then they do.

I've mentioned this before. If you really believe all these casinos are engaging in these so called "predatory" practices, why don't you do something to stop it? If you are allowing it, and still playing at these casinos, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

As for me, I see the casinos as providing a service by cashing checks for people and serving free drinks. Why make someone waste time and gas money driving to a bank to cash his check, if his motivation is to gamble it away anyway? With problem gamblers, do you really believe it matters where they cash their checks? Come on Kj, you've got to be smarter than that. If they are going to gamble their check away, they will do that if they cash their checks at a bank in town or at the casino. At least by cashing it at the casino, they've saved some gas money.

Yes, I believe problem gamblers should STOP gambling. The problem is how to do this in a free society. Regardless of what you think, this problem isn't the casino's responsibility. It's the individual's responsibility. I know that's a hard concept for you to understand, being a liberal.

The only real solution to this problem is to outlaw casinos. Why? Because in a free society everyone has to be allowed to go into a casino, and, yes, this means some degenerates, some problem gamblers, will be there. As much as you want to blame the casinos, this is NOT the casino's fault. Just like problem drinkers are not the fault of beer and liquor companies.

And why do APs make such a big deal about casinos offering free drinks? I've noticed this is a key bug-a-boo with APs. They think somehow because casinos offer free drinks this is wrong. So you're saying if they made us pay for drinks, then they wouldn't be "predatory"? Please explain this logic to me?

Can I ask you this? Who made these rules on what is considered "predatory"? Is this in some AP code of conduct book? And did you graduate from Blackjack Apprenticeship? Because you sound exactly like them. They make almost the same arguments against casinos as you do. Like you, they think casinos are awful places, preying on the vulnerable and weak, yet they doing nothing to stop it. They are hypocrites, just like you!

I'm starting to see being a hypocrite and an AP goes hand-in-hand. (btw, I don't see all APs with these views, so I shouldn't call all APs hypocrites). But Kj, you are definitely a hypocrite! There is no debating that point!

Hopefully, I said enough for you to put me on ignore or at least get you to stop responding to me, or at least get you to STOP saying stupid things!