Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility concerning mathematically sound advantage play in the manner that you are, simply to now enable Rob Singer and his claims.

I encourage people to read Axel's post especially the post at the top of page 6 of the Singer discussion at WoV, where he shares his feelings about both Singer's 'system' and Singer's DU claim and why he tried to act objective initially with the latter. The two claims are connected because they always come back to Singer's credibility. Kudos to Axelwolf. The following couple of follow up exchanges with Alan are notable as well. I mean Alan doesn't get a pass for his current position of "wanting to set the truth straight" after years of playing the role of Singer prime enabler on this forum, providing whatever platform Alan has to promote Singer on both his website and through his videos. Kudos for Alan now coming clean but that doesn't give him a free pass and I like that Axelwolf is still holding him accountable.

Unfortunately here, others have just stepped forward to fill the void Alan left of enabler. This guy Singer can't do what he has done for 20 years without someone playing the role of side kick.

One thing Redietz is correct about is that any sense of normalcy on this forum is long gone. This has become a conspiracy theory forum for any discussion, from politics, to Covid-19 coronavirus, to Rob's claim to what little gambling discussion there is. People have formed alliances and cliques based in large part on their political views and those alliances now carry forward to every discussion. This is precisely was I objected to airing political views here. This isn't a political forum. We shouldn't even know political views of different members. Once you head down that road, you end up with what you have here and that is anything but a forum about talk of Vegas, Casinos and gambling. Dan has proven anything for a few more views and little bit more traffic.
Unfortunately, Alan thinks I'm attacking him, I can see how it might seem that way but that's certainly not my intentions. I really just want to know what's going on in the mind of people who believe/consider nonsense strategies and systems. It's just mind-boggling that anyone can believe or consider this type of stuff as a being legitimate. Because, it's just so mind-boggling, I would have to believe there was some type of motivation. I'm not just talking Financial motivation sincere a lot of things that motivate people. Because she said something about wanting to chase a good story. It just seems like there are so many other good stories to chase that actually have Merit and proof.

That's all I was trying to understand. I guess I was hoping Alan would have a come-to-Jesus moment and tell us that he has finally come to the realization that only one way to beat casinos, and that's if the math adds up and you play the correct strategy.... Perhaps all the Advantage Players and math guys actually had it right all along.
Ya know I thought maybe Alan was coming to that as well. I am not going to look back at what post it was over there (WoV) but there was one post that started out like I thought he was going in that direction and then the second half went right back to voodoo beliefs.

I would really like it if Alan were to embrace a bit of advantage play / winning type strategy based on math. I mean if he enjoys casino play, why not win a little or at least break even and give yourself a chance to win (longterm)?

You know my late partner was a -EV casino player when I met him. -EV video poker just like Alan and Rob, and even some slots That was back in Pa. It wasn't until he followed me to Vegas and wanted to be part of what I was doing that I got him to give some of that up and move towards advantage play. And I am not sure he ever fully embraced only advantage play. He gave up slots completely and he handled our VP machine play when I was doing that and did pretty good. But I think occasionally he slipped in a little extra -EV play, when doing play though or playing a certain amount to generate mailers. Some times the numbers were a little lower than I was expecting. So I can't say he flipped to 100% AP, but he did pretty good making a transformation from -EV player to +EV player. So it can be done. I just don't get why anyone that spends like in casinos, wouldn't give themselves the best chance to win (longterm)? But that's me.
hell, I don't even know why I care if people play systems and believe in stupid s***. I mean overall it's beneficial to me cuz it helps keep the casinos in business, and there's less competition. I Guess a part of me believes it's such a long shot that it will affect anyone in the advantage play community. However, now that I'm thinking about it.... Alan might be the last one we want to convince if that's something that he would want to publish on his website. I was under the impression that his son actually understood Advantage Play to a certain level? I certainly got that impression when he talked about the Lost rebates and FreePlay.