Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
Okay accountinguestion, time to go round 2 with me if you want to, because i can see you don't have a clue when it comes to American history. You've pretty much drank the cool aide (I mean read the liberal manual) on American history, which picks and chooses what it wants to believe.

First, I'm going to concede America is not perfect, but it's the closest to perfect the world has ever seen. The American flag should be a great symbol to every race and people, including African Americans and Native Americans. Btw, I can tell you're a hardcore liberal since you call Indians, Native Americans. At least you're read their PC book, and follow all their rules. It looks like the liberals have got you locked in as a lifetime member.
Or in my world, I actually know Indians and they're from a different continent. So if I call everyone Indians, then it just leads to further questions. "The Indian Guy" would usually NOT be referring to a native american. You really are the whitest of the white culturally. I call it 95% you're a white dude. I'd say 99% now.
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First, let's look at the Indian situation (see I'm a conservative so I don't need to abide by the liberal PC playbook and call them Native Americans). Contrary to what liberals think, there was nothing great going on in America before Europeans colonized this country. And I'm not given Europeans credit because they are WHITE; it's because they brought the values and religious beliefs taught by the Bible. The Bible is the book that brought the values and ideals that made American the greatest country ever.
I'm really not going to go into whether the Bible bestowed values on people. America has been great at many things. It has been great at maintaining the standard of living for even the most inept.
What was going in American prior to the Europeans settling here? It a nut shell it was a hell hole. About 550 Indian tribes were here and pretty much none of them were living in harmony. Living conditions were terrible, there was almost no human rights, women were treated awfully, ect. Some Indiana tribes did nothing more than raid their neighboring tribe, killing the men and raping the women. Yes, this did happen quite a bit. Unless you're a liberal, most wouldn't consider this utopia. Lol
Look, I don't care about your history. I can point to many broken promises and this and that by the American Government to natives. Those weird indoctrination schools. My only point is that somehow, you could see how someone might see this as a reason to despise the American flag and want to burn it in protest. It was but only the thought that popped in in my head. That being a single simple example of why we might at least stop to try and understand where a person might be coming from. Granted, that history has faded, but it was also just a silly example. I could sit here and go google up all sorts of nasty stories about what the US did to natives at some point. It is pointless. Who cares.
Contrary to what many people think, there were many Indians tribes that welcomed the Europeans because they saw a new way of doing things. They saw that you could live with your fellowman without killing and raping them every so often. There were many Indians that assimilated into American life and this was, in fact, US policy under all our presidents, including George Washington. There were obviously some Indians that did not, and these were the ones we had problems with. I'm not saying everything was handled correctly by our government, but based on Indian standards American went way beyond what any Indian tribe would have done given the same circumstance. But that's because Indians didn't understand the values of the Bible.
adorable.

As far as blacks (or should I say African Americans since I'm talking to accountinquestion who is very PC correct, being a hardcore liberal), the American ideals led to slavery's abolishment through out the world. Before American was founded, slavery and indentured servants (which is a form of slavery) was pretty much everywhere in the world, especially in African countries.
Lol at you making up absurd fantasies about me being PC. I'm actually somewhat racist. I liked Bernie Sanders, but thats just because Dems and Reps have had class warfare against middle-class for some time. Don't really like all his socialist ideas, just like the idea that he will legitimately target capital. This country is way too top heavy in wealth and game just keeps being more rigged.

So yes, Indians and Blacks, if they knew their history, should also be respectful of the American flag because it is what has given them freedom, just like it did the Europeans who fled tyranny in their home country. I can't think of one group of people living in American who shouldn't be proud of the American flag. I take that back. I get why liberals hate the flag. It's because it represents freedom, and they hate freedom and want more government to control more of their lives.
So no, the flag didn't give anyone freedom. Just more talking out of your ass. My take on reparations is go for it. Figure out where people are from genetically and give em like a year's wages and send em back where they came from if they think being in Africa would have been a better deal. I totally agree. lol. I literally vacation in the west and now NV because I can smoke weed. Funny.

One of the things that democracy and capitalism are great about is hiding the true cost. Everything is put into numbers. So you can deficit spend, which takes the money out of the pockets of people who have no say yet. Pretty thiefy IMO, but thats a whole different discussion about morality. The other thing capitalism excels at is letting us utterly destroy the planet. Again, those who will be affected by this in the future have no say. Ridicule me all you want, but it is becoming increasingly apparently the climate is going severely out of whack. I don't want to hear your idiotic excuses. I grew up hunting and fishing. I like the environment. I also believe the healthcare system in this coutnry is a joke. I'm not sure what Bernie's plan is, but it is sooo fucked as it currently stands. But yes, America is the greatest at raising the standard of living for everyone who is either talented or works hard. It provides many opportunities. That is obvious and I'd never disagree with it. Anyway, thats about my opinion. Apparently I'm a huge liberal. I'm quite heavily armed and believe in pushing back against overreach of government.

Anyway my AP friend would tell me 'they're not worth your time'. I gave you a one and full response. I feel dirty. This shit is so stupid.