Originally Posted by
AndrewG
Originally Posted by
Bob21
No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.
Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.
Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.
Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.
Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.
This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.
Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
Bob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.
In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.
He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.
You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.
Then there is the cash problem at the RV dealership. Even if Mr Singer kept clean money as cash and accepted the risk of loss, the RV dealership would report the cash transaction.
These are just holes in his story that can't be filled with rational thinking or explanations.
He dug a hole for himself with his blanket explanation that he keeps no records longer than necessary.
You know what he'd also keep? Every service report on a million dollars plus RV because the next buyer will want to see them. It's like with a Rolls Royce: you don't buy a Rolls without the service records.
Andrew, good points! But your first point is wrong: "If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs." It doesn't matter if the big wins came with W2Gs or if they didn't, it's still "dirty money". If you don't believe me reread the wired article. Kane and Nester had to give back the money, and spend time in jail. It didn't matter that they got W2Gs with their big wins. This money was seen as "dirty" by our government. Kane and Nester ended up avoiding a long jail sentence, but they weren't able to keep the money. I think Kane was able to keep some of his, since he said he spent it or he hid it well.
But make no bones about it, all the money "won" through the DUB was "dirty money". And it doesn't matter who "won" it that way, or how much was "won" at a time. Even though the machines had a bug in them that doesn't make it legal to exploit them. As many people on this site have already pointed out, if you find a bug in a ATM that spits out cash that doesn't make it legal to take it.
This would have been Rob's biggest problem if he truly exploited the DUB. How to get all this "dirty money" back into circulation? That's not easy. Ask all the big drug dealers. This is how they get caught many times. Trying to get "dirty money" make into circulation. Go try to make a deposit at a bank for $9,900 every day and see what happens. Even if you do it for less, it will set off alarm bells if large cash deposits happen regularly.
Note that Rob also said he won a lot of money without W2Gs. I mean theoretically, someone could win using the DUB without ever having to get a W2G. The DUB allowed you to win as much or as little as you wanted. As Nester said, it was like "printing money". If I was in the same situation, I'd have won a small amount over many casinos. It's not hard to see how someone could easily win $10,000 a day with the DUB and never get a W2G. But the trick would be getting it into circulation.
I'm surprised more people didn't bring this up. Once the DUB is found, the easy part is getting the money. The hard part is getting it into circulation so you can buy something big. Like you said, he would NOT have been able to go into a RV dealership and lay out $1.3 million in cash and buy a Newell. They would have had to report him, and he would have known that.
That's why I continue to say, if he really did it and made this amount of money, he'd have taken it to his grave, because all that money he "won" was "dirty", and he would have know that. There is no way any intelligent person would risk having this come back to bite him by bragging about it. The last thing anybody wants is the IRS sniffing in your finances.
Now if he didn't do it, then he has nothing to worry about. He can brag all he wants and make up any story he wants and nothing will happen to him. Nobody went to jail bragging about catching the biggest fish, or telling whoppers. All Rob is guilty of is telling whoppers, and that doesn't get you thrown in jail.
That's why the biggest tell that it didn't happen is Rob saying it did happen. If it did happen, I can assure you Rob or anybody in his position would take it to their grave, and never tell anybody.