More Hurt....

[accountinquestion]

I am starting to feel for Rob. He's catching shit and all his dream followers included.

That is actually a really nice pop-up camper and in my opinion shows Rob had some success in life.

[accountinquestion]

In this country right now there are millions of Americans who would love a Winnebago popup pull-behind. They are efficient to tow and with proper maintenance they can last a lifetime.

[jbjb]

I am starting to feel for Rob. He's catching shit and all his dream followers included.

That is actually a really nice pop-up camper and in my opinion shows Rob had some success in life.

Those picture could have been pulled from a magazine for all we know.

[Bob21]

I am starting to feel for Rob. He's catching shit and all his dream followers included.

That is actually a really nice pop-up camper and in my opinion shows Rob had some success in life.

Those picture could have been pulled from a magazine for all we know.

jbjb, they could be, but in the original post Rob said he sent photos to Mickey so Mickey could post them. And in one of those photos was a Winnebago pull-behind trailer.

If you believe they came from a magazine, why would Rob send a photo of a Winnebago trailer from a magazine and claim it was his?

There was also a photo of the backside of a Newell, but it was taken in a way where it’s hard to identify it. Rob claimed this was his too. It doesn’t look like either photo came from a magazine.

I agree with accountinquestion on this one. Having a nice Winnebago pull-behind trailer does show some success in life.

[kewlJ]

In keeping with Rob's precedent, I just wanted to attach unequivocal "proof" that I own the Dryers/Eddy's Ice Cream company.

(Now don't expect to hear from me for the next 15 minutes)

[kewlJ]

<redacted>

I wonder if this remodeling guy can do a remodel of Singer's Newell RV shower stall, so we can have the squeegee in a different location.

[Bob21]

I wonder if this remodeling guy can do a remodel of Singer's Newell RV shower stall, so we can have the squeegee in a different location.

Lol. Yep, the ‘ol shower squeegee in the same spot will get you every time. It’s the number one thing people slip up on when trying to tell whoppers.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm, YOU just look pathetic now. The move you try to defend Rob, the more you name call, just makes you look more and more desperate, more embarrassed. And you should be embarrassed. You were a respected, admired AP and you have thrown all your credibility away by playing these troll games protecting someone that you know is lying and full of shit.

Rob took pictures of himself in a RV on the dealership floor pretending it was his own. End of fucking story! That is a knockout. He has already been counted out. Everything now, is just trolling and you proving how dishonest you are.

Kjocchio, you just can't help yourself. I haven't defended Rob. I use all available information. You should try it sometime. All you do is cherry pick information to see what you want to use, and ignore any exculpatory evidence. Then to go even further you make shit up and out the thin blue air. You're pathetic and embarrassing. End of story.

Now, why don't you tell us more about those tax papers of Rob's you say you are in possession of. How about putting up some pics of them.

[mickeycrimm]

This story has transitioned from "more hurt..." to most pathetic. In order to continue believing that there's any truth to Singer's claims is akin to believing the Earth is flat. There's a better chance that we never went to the moon than Singer owns that Newell he posed in.
I am glad to have been the one to undeniably expose this 20 year troll of trolls. He screwed up and there is no way to get around it. Not even David Copperfield could make Rob's pics in that Newell believable. Especially when one does any research of what exactly a Newell is.
Rob has always been careful to give himself outs thru-out the years. He finally fucked up. His desperate attempt to build a legacy went up in smoke with a poor choice of using an item that is way too exclusive to build a lie around. He should have rented one for a day and took some better pics and what not. You can rent a Newell for $5k a day, $25k a week, and $100k per month.
It's really sad that this dude has felt the need to try and deceive people for so long. There are numerous people that can attest to the fact that I told them Rob owned a tow behind Winnebago camper way before Rob ever brought this to light online. I pretty much don't say shit unless I know it's true. And I know for a fact that Rob owns no property. Him and his wife left there last apartment in 2011. They hit the road in a camper. They reside primarily with their daughter and her husband. There is no evidence of Rob having ever achieving the financial success of the average American. He is below average in every financial aspect.
His lack of financial success is really not worth mentioning other than for the fact that his whole sack of lies is built upon it being true. He deserves props for raising a daughter willing to take care of her parents as they age.

Everything MaxPen says here is 100% correct. I get that most of you people haven't looked into Rob. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you don't think that is right to do. Maybe you don't want to know the truth because you enjoy all the games being played. It is fair to look into Rob because of his 20 years of preposterous claims.

And I think it is fair to report some of these discrepancies as I and MaxPen have done. There are many more things anyone can discover that wants to bother that are lies that Rob has told. Like MaxPen said, there is no evidence of this fantastic career that he claims. Even the colleges he claims to have attended are in dispute. One of them has no record of someone with his name ever attending. There is a lot more, but most of the stuff, doesn't pertain to directly contradicting Rob's claims, so I haven't mentioned it. I don't think that is fair to do.

But make no mistake about it everything this person posting as Rob Singer has claimed and almost everything he has said about himself is made up and not reality based on his real name and identity. Rob Singer is a pen name. That is how Rob has always described it. Robert Argentino believes he is a fiction writer and this Rob Singer that he has invented is a fictional character in a long running work of fiction.

KJocchio is under some delusion that what he is doing is beloved by the AP world. Nothing could be further from the truth. AP's in general don't like to see any kind of information on advantage plays online. They want the ploppies to remain unknowing. They don't want competition from new people in the game. Darkoz damn near started a shooting war over at WoV by putting up information.

Do you really think AP's are concerned that there is someone out there teaching some kind of progressive system on a negative expectation game? Not only do they not care they are actually happy that someone is teaching something they consider to be bullshit. If the followers of such "gurus" are using progressive betting on negative games they are not trying to do what AP's don't want them to do, use what they consider to be real AP technique.

Real AP's everywhere actually frown on what KJ is doing. They would just as soon everyone is kept in the dark and fed bullshit. As far as AP's are concerned there should be more and more system teachers out there to mislead everyone.

Real AP's think the Rob Singers of the world should be fruitful and multiply.

[jbjb]

I am starting to feel for Rob. He's catching shit and all his dream followers included.

That is actually a really nice pop-up camper and in my opinion shows Rob had some success in life.

Those picture could have been pulled from a magazine for all we know.

jbjb, they could be, but in the original post Rob said he sent photos to Mickey so Mickey could post them. And in one of those photos was a Winnebago pull-behind trailer.

If you believe they came from a magazine, why would Rob send a photo of a Winnebago trailer from a magazine and claim it was his?

There was also a photo of the backside of a Newell, but it was taken in a way where it’s hard to identify it. Rob claimed this was his too. It doesn’t look like either photo came from a magazine.

I agree with accountinquestion on this one. Having a nice Winnebago pull-behind trailer does show some success in life.

I didn't insinuate that it was from a magazine. Just started that it could have been.

I still find it oddly suspicious he's sending them to Mickey to post instead of doing it himself. I can think of one reason which I'll keep to myself. And before anyone says anything, I'm not accusing Mickey of anything. As he said, he's just being the messenger.

[kewlJ]

Mickeycrimm, YOU just look pathetic now. The move you try to defend Rob, the more you name call, just makes you look more and more desperate, more embarrassed. And you should be embarrassed. You were a respected, admired AP and you have thrown all your credibility away by playing these troll games protecting someone that you know is lying and full of shit.

Rob took pictures of himself in a RV on the dealership floor pretending it was his own. End of fucking story! That is a knockout. He has already been counted out. Everything now, is just trolling and you proving how dishonest you are.

Kjocchio, you just can't help yourself. I haven't defended Rob. I use all available information. You should try it sometime. All you do is cherry pick information to see what you want to use, and ignore any exculpatory evidence. Then to go even further you make shit up and out the thin blue air. You're pathetic and embarrassing. End of story.

Now, why don't you tell us more about those tax papers of Rob's you say you are in possession of. How about putting up some pics of them.

I am not going to post stuff that it is illegal for me to post, despite your goading/trolling.

Mickey, I admire, am even jealous of your gambling math abilities. I admire your advantage player accomplishments. But on these forums you have become really dishonest and quiet frankly an idiot. I mean you are on social security and Medicare and while there is nothing wrong with that, you claim neither is a socialist government program. You are either lying to yourself or like I said a damn idiot.

[Bob21]

I mean you are on social security and Medicare and while there is nothing wrong with that, you claim neither is a socialist government program. You are either lying to yourself or like I said a damn idiot.

I'm going to have to come to Mickey's defense on this one, even though I know he doesn't need anybody to defend him.

Kj, your statement is right out of the liberal playbook. You are so indoctrinated with liberal ideas, you probably don't even know you're doing it. Liberals love to use this kind of argument against conservatives. They say we use government programs, so how can we claim to be against them? In their warped little minds they see this as being a hypocrite. They think its being contradictory.

Here's a newsflash for you Kj. You can be against a government program and still use it.

A great example is Social Security. I think social security is the worst government program ever. I mean it was voted unconstitutional by our Supreme Court. The only way FDR got it passed is by stacking the Supreme Court.

In a free country, I don't think the government should be able to force me to set aside some of my earnings for my retirement. This should be my choice. I should get to do with my money as I want.

But this is now outside my control, since our federal government has passed the Social Security law, so I abide by the law and pay my social security taxes. I do this so I don't go to jail. I don't do it because I think it's a good program. I'd much rather keep all my money and invest it or spend it the way I wanted.

But guess what I'll do when I come of age to start collecting social security, I'll use it. Why? Because I've probably paid at least a million dollars into it. And just because I use it that doesn't mean I agree with it. I know this is a hard concept for liberals to understand.

This is what I've been trying to explain to accountinquestion; there are many laws I don't agree with, but I still abide by them since I don't want to go to jail. That's what accountinquestion should be doing to stay out of jail. He seems to like to smoke weed in states where he knows it's against the law, and he could go to jail. This makes no sense to me. I hope accountinquestion leans to abide by our laws, so he can stay out of jail. He seems like a good guy.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm, YOU just look pathetic now. The move you try to defend Rob, the more you name call, just makes you look more and more desperate, more embarrassed. And you should be embarrassed. You were a respected, admired AP and you have thrown all your credibility away by playing these troll games protecting someone that you know is lying and full of shit.

Rob took pictures of himself in a RV on the dealership floor pretending it was his own. End of fucking story! That is a knockout. He has already been counted out. Everything now, is just trolling and you proving how dishonest you are.

Kjocchio, you just can't help yourself. I haven't defended Rob. I use all available information. You should try it sometime. All you do is cherry pick information to see what you want to use, and ignore any exculpatory evidence. Then to go even further you make shit up and out the thin blue air. You're pathetic and embarrassing. End of story.

Now, why don't you tell us more about those tax papers of Rob's you say you are in possession of. How about putting up some pics of them.

I am not going to post stuff that it is illegal for me to post, despite your goading/trolling.

Mickey, I admire, am even jealous of your gambling math abilities. I admire your advantage player accomplishments. But on these forums you have become really dishonest and quiet frankly an idiot. I mean you are on social security and Medicare and while there is nothing wrong with that, you claim neither is a socialist government program. You are either lying to yourself or like I said a damn idiot.

There you go again, KJocchio. You just make the shit up as you go. I've explained many times on this forum that Americans are libertarian/socialists so you don't get to just make bullshit up out of thin air. Damn, boy, you've got a knack for that. It's why you are so lacking in credibilty. Everyone see's that you just make shit up.

The difference is the degree of socialism we believe in. Taxation in any form is a socialist policy. So if you believe in any form of taxation no matter how small you are a socialist to a degree. I personally think we currently have a blend of capitalism and socialism that is about right. I don't believe in cuts to taxes or entitlements. But at the same time I don't think we should create new entitlements. I think we are good where we are at. That puts me in the middle of the road in this country. You can deny deny deny that but you won't have any credibility doing it.

Social Security/Medicare is a retirement account. Americans pay into for many many years then receive payments when they retire. Those who draw SS are not getting it for nothing. They payed in for a lifetime to get it. It is nothing like welfare.

So your trying to paint me as an anti-socialist that works socialist policies is a fale narrative. I'm a socialist to a degree, you're a socialist to a degree, everyone is a socialist to a degree. But I'm a much lower degree of socialist then say someone like redietz who is a socialist on steroids.

So you are either lying to yourself or a damn idiot.

[dannyj]

I mean you are on social security and Medicare and while there is nothing wrong with that, you claim neither is a socialist government program. You are either lying to yourself or like I said a damn idiot.

I'm going to have to come to Mickey's defense on this one, even though I know he doesn't need anybody to defend him.

Kj, your statement is right out of the liberal playbook. You are so indoctrinated with liberal ideas, you probably don't even know you're doing it. Liberals love to use this kind of argument against conservatives. They say we use government programs, so how can we claim to be against them? In their warped little minds they see this as being a hypocrite. They think its being contradictory.

Here's a newsflash for you Kj. You can be against a government program and still use it.

A great example is Social Security. I think social security is the worst government program ever. I mean it was voted unconstitutional by our Supreme Court. The only way FDR got it passed is by stacking the Supreme Court.

In a free country, I don't think the government should be able to force me to set aside some of my earnings for my retirement. This should be my choice. I should get to do with my money as I want.

But this is now outside my control, since our federal government has passed the Social Security law, so I abide by the law and pay my social security taxes. I do this so I don't go to jail. I don't do it because I think it's a good program. I'd much rather keep all my money and invest it or spend it the way I wanted.

But guess what I'll do when I come of age to start collecting social security, I'll use it. Why? Because I've probably paid at least a million dollars into it. And just because I use it that doesn't mean I agree with it. I know this is a hard concept for liberals to understand.

This is what I've been trying to explain to accountinquestion; there are many laws I don't agree with, but I still abide by them since I don't want to go to jail. That's what accountinquestion should be doing to stay out of jail. He seems to like to smoke weed in states where he knows it's against the law, and he could go to jail. This makes no sense to me. I hope accountinquestion leans to abide by our laws, so he can stay out of jail. He seems like a good guy.

Most dems just love FDR.

They rarely mention that he interned tens of thousands of American citizens during WWII.

Oh and he hid the fact that he had polio to the public so that he would get elected. Since polio was considered a death sentence at the time his election prospects would have been bleak if he was honest with the public.

[mickeycrimm]

Those picture could have been pulled from a magazine for all we know.

jbjb, they could be, but in the original post Rob said he sent photos to Mickey so Mickey could post them. And in one of those photos was a Winnebago pull-behind trailer.

If you believe they came from a magazine, why would Rob send a photo of a Winnebago trailer from a magazine and claim it was his?

There was also a photo of the backside of a Newell, but it was taken in a way where it’s hard to identify it. Rob claimed this was his too. It doesn’t look like either photo came from a magazine.

I agree with accountinquestion on this one. Having a nice Winnebago pull-behind trailer does show some success in life.

I didn't insinuate that it was from a magazine. Just started that it could have been.

I still find it oddly suspicious he's sending them to Mickey to post instead of doing it himself. I can think of one reason which I'll keep to myself. And before anyone says anything, I'm not accusing Mickey of anything. As he said, he's just being the messenger.

This is what I think is going on. I can't upload a pic to VCT from my Iphone. I have to email the pic to my laptop then throw it in documents. From there I can upload it to VCT. And it has to be the right size. I have to send it small or medium but not large or actual size or it won't upload.

My guess is Rob doesn't have a laptop with him when on the road....And he has the same problem uploading pics from his phone to VCT that I have. So he has sent them to me to upload.

[mickeycrimm]

I mean you are on social security and Medicare and while there is nothing wrong with that, you claim neither is a socialist government program. You are either lying to yourself or like I said a damn idiot.

I'm going to have to come to Mickey's defense on this one, even though I know he doesn't need anybody to defend him.

Kj, your statement is right out of the liberal playbook. You are so indoctrinated with liberal ideas, you probably don't even know you're doing it. Liberals love to use this kind of argument against conservatives. They say we use government programs, so how can we claim to be against them? In their warped little minds they see this as being a hypocrite. They think its being contradictory.

Here's a newsflash for you Kj. You can be against a government program and still use it.

A great example is Social Security. I think social security is the worst government program ever. I mean it was voted unconstitutional by our Supreme Court. The only way FDR got it passed is by stacking the Supreme Court.

In a free country, I don't think the government should be able to force me to set aside some of my earnings for my retirement. This should be my choice. I should get to do with my money as I want.

But this is now outside my control, since our federal government has passed the Social Security law, so I abide by the law and pay my social security taxes. I do this so I don't go to jail. I don't do it because I think it's a good program. I'd much rather keep all my money and invest it or spend it the way I wanted.

But guess what I'll do when I come of age to start collecting social security, I'll use it. Why? Because I've probably paid at least a million dollars into it. And just because I use it that doesn't mean I agree with it. I know this is a hard concept for liberals to understand.

This is what I've been trying to explain to accountinquestion; there are many laws I don't agree with, but I still abide by them since I don't want to go to jail. That's what accountinquestion should be doing to stay out of jail. He seems to like to smoke weed in states where he knows it's against the law, and he could go to jail. This makes no sense to me. I hope accountinquestion leans to abide by our laws, so he can stay out of jail. He seems like a good guy.

Most dems just love FDR.

They rarely mention that he interned tens of thousands of American citizens during WWII.

Oh and he hid the fact that he had polio to the public so that he would get elected. Since polio was considered a death sentence at the time his election prospects would have been bleak if he was honest with the public.

Most conservatives blame FDR for creating the Social Security Retirement Accounts but not investing the money in the stock market. The problem with investing the money in the stock market was the year was 1935, smack dab in the middle of the Great Depression. The market crashed in 1929 but didn't bottom out until 1934. Then it was a painfully slow climb upward. If FDR would have created a national retirement program based on the stock market he not only would have been just a one-term president he would have been tarred and feathered and ran out of town. In 1935 all Americans blamed the stock market for the depression.

[jbjb]

jbjb, they could be, but in the original post Rob said he sent photos to Mickey so Mickey could post them. And in one of those photos was a Winnebago pull-behind trailer.

If you believe they came from a magazine, why would Rob send a photo of a Winnebago trailer from a magazine and claim it was his?

There was also a photo of the backside of a Newell, but it was taken in a way where it’s hard to identify it. Rob claimed this was his too. It doesn’t look like either photo came from a magazine.

I agree with accountinquestion on this one. Having a nice Winnebago pull-behind trailer does show some success in life.

I didn't insinuate that it was from a magazine. Just started that it could have been.

I still find it oddly suspicious he's sending them to Mickey to post instead of doing it himself. I can think of one reason which I'll keep to myself. And before anyone says anything, I'm not accusing Mickey of anything. As he said, he's just being the messenger.

This is what I think is going on. I can't upload a pic to VCT from my Iphone. I have to email the pic to my laptop then throw it in documents. From there I can upload it to VCT. And it has to be the right size. I have to send it small or medium but not large or actual size or it won't upload.

My guess is Rob doesn't have a laptop with him when on the road....And he has the same problem uploading pics from his phone to VCT that I have. So he has sent them to me to upload.

iPhones suck. Get an Android. You'll thank me later.

[monet]

Put me out of my misery
I'd do it for you, would you do it for me
We will always be busy making misery

We could build a factory and make misery
We'll create the cure; we made the disease
Frustrated, Incorporated
Frustrated, Incorporated

[The Boz]

Mickeycrimm, YOU just look pathetic now. The move you try to defend Rob, the more you name call, just makes you look more and more desperate, more embarrassed. And you should be embarrassed. You were a respected, admired AP and you have thrown all your credibility away by playing these troll games protecting someone that you know is lying and full of shit.

Rob took pictures of himself in a RV on the dealership floor pretending it was his own. End of fucking story! That is a knockout. He has already been counted out. Everything now, is just trolling and you proving how dishonest you are.

Kjocchio, you just can't help yourself. I haven't defended Rob. I use all available information. You should try it sometime. All you do is cherry pick information to see what you want to use, and ignore any exculpatory evidence. Then to go even further you make shit up and out the thin blue air. You're pathetic and embarrassing. End of story.

Now, why don't you tell us more about those tax papers of Rob's you say you are in possession of. How about putting up some pics of them.

I am not going to post stuff that it is illegal for me to post, despite your goading/trolling.

Mickey, I admire, am even jealous of your gambling math abilities. I admire your advantage player accomplishments. But on these forums you have become really dishonest and quiet frankly an idiot. I mean you are on social security and Medicare and while there is nothing wrong with that, you claim neither is a socialist government program. You are either lying to yourself or like I said a damn idiot.

So do you or do you not want to walk back your accusations that Mickeys reputations are ruined in the AP community?

Do I need to post where you said it? Or do you still think he is an idiot?

And can you post exactly where Mickey said he believes everything Singer posted?

[AndrewG]

Mr Crimm, I'm sorry but you do come across as a believer and as an advocate of Mr Singer. I realize you have said you are not but you have also made comments that indicate you are. Frankly, Mr Crimm, I don't know what side you're on and I would say it appears you are playing both sides.

With that said, it doesn't matter to me which side you're on but understand you are sending mixed messages. If you are just providing Mr Singer a chance to present his photos then just post the photos without comment.

There are others on this forum who play both sides and that's okay too. Presenting both sides by one person is a healthy form of discussion.

Then there are those who will attack any side and not to promote a healthy discussion but because they are trolls and think they should attack and criticize because they can. They help and contribute nothing.

For me it doesn't matter anymore. Mr Singer could be driving a factory new $3-million Newell with solid gold bath fixtures and its meaningless. He's admitted to lying, he's admitted to hiding and covering up proof, he's even admitted to manipulating tax laws, and he's admitted to backing out of wagers with the Arci tax papers being one of them.

Mr Singer has no credibility and there's no reason to even follow this discussion any more. He has the ability to fabricate anything he wants, and what good does that do anyone?

It's a waste of time. This discussion is a waste of time. I have better things to do.