Eliot and Don Feud

[BoSox]

My first casino client was in 2004 when Mike wrote to me and asked if I wanted some extra work as a gaming mathematician. Then in 2005, CDC consulting hired me to do market research projects for various clients. I believe the first casino client I had was PENN in 2005. A team of us did some secret shopping to compare various casinos in the midwest for what they were giving away in comps.

My first book was on card counting, in 2005. My second book was on designing table games, in 2010. My third book was a compilation of blog posts from 2011 to 2013, that came out in 2015. You are right that the casino industry didn't know about a lot of this stuff, but neither did most AP's. Now they do. Mission accomplished.

I have never been food driven. Getting paid is meaningless to me. I live in a beautiful house in Santa Barbara and I retired at age 59. Get it? Giving away information is a lesson that Bill Zender taught me. Be generous, he said. And, what I learned was that people would hire me to explain the stuff I was giving away for free.

It has been strongly suggested that he even sold out information of players and teams that he knew or knew of from his AP days. That part of it I can't swear to but I have heard it from some pretty reliable sources.

I never, not once in my life, gave up an AP player or team that I knew from my AP days, or helped identify a single person I knew from my AP days. I swore a promise to my AP friends to never do that and I never broke that promise. This is the kind of lie that once started gains momentum, as it seems to be able justify everything someone wants to say about me.

Bottom line is that he didn't go to work or consult with the casinos for the money. He sold out...everything he knew to spite AP's for very little financial gain.

There you go again, thinking I sold out for financial gain. Did you forget I was a professor/lecturer at UCSB? The Computer Science department treated me very well. If it was financial gain I was interested in, I would have kept that job. I left even though I was effectively tenured.

As I stated on BJTF, I was Phil Ivey's expert in his case AGAINST Crockford's Casino. I was the expert for the State of Florida in their case AGAINST the Seminole Tribe. I've busted major online casino corporations for cheating when I owned an ran the auditing company "Certified Fair Gambling." I was involved in bringing down a casino that was engaged in money-laundering. I've stressed in every seminar I have ever given on the subject that card counters are not a threat to casinos and should be ignored.

What is true, KJ, is that you don't know anything about me or what I've done professionally, or my motivations. You make stuff up, as do most people, and then attach the word traitor to it as if that's all you need to say to justfify the BS. Generalizations are easy, but if you're going to attack, don't take every third-hand rumor as truth. Show the good grace of doing some fact checking first, that is what you would expect if it went the other way, right?

I did very well as a consultant, but only because I burned bridges anytime I saw unethical behavior. Read this:

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/aft...n-from-gaming/

Now, I volunteer. As a cop, at the local public TV station, at the Zoo. And, sadly, in these pandemic days, I spend a lot of time reading these forums, hopefully that will end soon.

Meanwhile, what have you done?

What have I done? I have supported myself for 16 years now from advantage play.

That is in the past tense and it seems like you are always saying it does not help yourself or one single advantage player. You never pass an opportunity to let everyone know, one way or another of your good fortune. After sixteen years of earning a living at a tough profession, you would think at some point in time that you would learn that AP Play is a thankless job without glory and that real AP's get their respect by Keeping their mouths shut. You wonder why I now am backing up someone at ZZ who plays single deck games and yes I know that is in fact like playing a whole new entirely different game, it is simple you hurt future players while you do not realize it. Moses and I play games that are completely different but I consider him a real AP as you will never figure it out anyway.

[kewlJ]

You wonder why I now am backing up someone at ZZ who plays single deck games and yes I know that is in fact like playing a whole new entirely different game, it is simple you hurt future players while you do not realize it.

BoSox, I have always given credit that Moses is, or was playing a game very different than what most players play or even have access to. I have even said that for such a game, more complex counts would be beneficial, rather than the simplicity approach that is best for shoe games that most of us play. The thing I question about your "friend" is the limits that he claims to play in a town that won't allow anyone to play such limits for long if they are spreading at all. And the fact that he claims to have done this for 30 years now in a town that has a handful of casinos. You can't and won't get away with that for 30 days let alone 30 years. I know, I played a town with a dozen casinos for 5 years and I now play Reno several times a year. I know what I am talking about, you can not regularly play green to black at a half dozen casinos for 30 years! I roll into town 2-3 times a year and have worn out my welcome in 2-3 days.

But your ZZ single deck card counter has bigger things to worry about now. His world just came crashing down as the Nevada Gaming Commission just announced an end to Single deck blackjack in Nevada. Everything has to be shoe games with no player touching of cards. I have actually been warning him of this too. I have said at some point these games, the last of their kind would be disappearing. I didn't envision it coming about like this, but I knew this day would come and warned him to prepare.

He has been hoping and posting that my game and world was going to take a big hit from this unforeseen situation and it is his that just exploded. If he asks me nicely, maybe I will give him some tips on how to adjust to the new world he faces so he can pay his weekly rent on his room.

[jbjb]

You wonder why I now am backing up someone at ZZ who plays single deck games and yes I know that is in fact like playing a whole new entirely different game, it is simple you hurt future players while you do not realize it.

BoSox, I have always given credit that Moses is, or was playing a game very different than what most players play or even have access to. I have even said that for such a game, more complex counts would be beneficial, rather than the simplicity approach that is best for shoe games that most of us play. The thing I question about your "friend" is the limits that he claims to play in a town that won't allow anyone to play such limits for long if they are spreading at all. And the fact that he claims to have done this for 30 years now in a town that has a handful of casinos. You can't and won't get away with that for 30 days let alone 30 years. I know, I played a town with a dozen casinos for 5 years and I now play Reno several times a year. I know what I am talking about, you can not regularly play green to black at a half dozen casinos for 30 years! I roll into town 2-3 times a year and have worn out my welcome in 2-3 days.

But your ZZ single deck card counter has bigger things to worry about now. His world just came crashing down as the Nevada Gaming Commission just announced an end to Single deck blackjack in Nevada. Everything has to be shoe games with no player touching of cards. I have actually been warning him of this too. I have said at some point these games, the last of their kind would be disappearing. I didn't envision it coming about like this, but I knew this day would come and warned him to prepare.

He has been hoping and posting that my game and world was going to take a big hit from this unforeseen situation and it is his that just exploded. If he asks me nicely, maybe I will give him some tips on how to adjust to the new world he faces so he can pay his weekly rent on his room.

It can be dealt out of a shoe face up. They'll figure something out to keep SD around.