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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
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    The case against liberals on how they have managed big cities is a strong case. Particularly over regulation, underfunded pensions, and although corruption happens on both sides, it does appear on the surface more prevalent in cities run by Dems.

    To be fair though cities were dealt a very tough hand. After WW2 whites moved out of the cities for suburbs and recall that at that time until around the 70s I believe, suburbs had racial restrictions so even successful black had difficult moving out of the inner cities.

    Cities lost their manufacturing bases, their infrastructures are usually extremely old with most American cities dating back to the 1800s. Cities generally didn’t elect Democrats and become shitholes. They became shitholes and then elected Dems because rightly or wrongly poor people believe Dems better represent their interests.

    Would riots be lessened and cities have done better under Repbulican control? Some things may have been better, but look at the 1992 riots which also spread nationwide

    At the time LA had a conservative Republican police chief Darryl Gates who had ran the department since the 70s and he was not known as a soft on crime guy. In fact at that time California had a Republican governor and the President was George HW Bush.

    Sure the LA mayor was a Dem, but so what? The police department had much more control over the law and order situation and in LA at that time the Police Chief was independent of the mayor.

    Point being while liberals have plenty of faults (and are funner to pick on as they make themselves easy targets) you are kidding yourself if you think all of these problems would just magically go away under Republicans. Although it is possible they could improve over a long period of time, or they could remain the same, or they could actually get worse.
    I have some time so I wanted to respond to DGenBen's post since it was very naive. Of course, the problems won't go away magically under Republicans. I mean liberals have spent 50 years creating the shitholes in our inner city, so it's not going away if we started electing Republicans tomorrow in all our cities.

    And it's unfair to blame conservative cities for some of their problems, since many of their problems were created by our liberal Federal government. Lyndon Johnson was responsible for a lot of it, but some of it started before him. Take LA and south central Watts area. It was a decent area in the 40 and 50s until the Federal government started all their social programs, which destroyed the family, and radicalizing the inner city through multi-culturalism and garbage like that. So it's a little unfair to blame a conservative LA on riots in the 90s, when the seeds were planted long before that due to policies by our Federal government that started back in the 60s.

    The hard data shows liberals destroyed the black family. And regardless of what liberals say, raising kids in a two parent family brings stability to cities. The black family survived slavery, survived Jim Crow laws, but could not survive liberalism. You can check the stats. The two parent black family was in the 75% range during slavery and during the Jim Crow era, and then starting in the 60s began falling, to where it's now in the 30% range. This was caused by liberalism with policies designed to destroy families, designed to destroy work ethic by rewarding doing nothing, was some on crime, which bred more crime, destroyed local schools by busing people out of their neigherhood, drove businesses out of cities through exessive tax policies, etc.

    Even many liberals have conceded most of their policies backfired and had the opposite impact intended. It's going to be hard to fix the mess the liberals created. What's amazing is that there are so many liberals still around today. It makes sense to have some in the 60s, because some their stuff hadn't been tried before. Now that we tried it for over 50 years and its failed and made things worse, you'd think people would switch sides.

    Yes, people fled to the suburbs. But why was that? To escape liberalism, which started taking over our cities. These are the facts. Conservatism isn't utopia, but compared to liberalism it's pretty close.
    Naive, lol not insightful like your comment “The black family survived slavery, survived Jim Crow laws, but couldn’t survive liberalism”

    Yes black families did great under slavery, they didn’t have to get divorced because their husbands or wives would often get sold to another master and then they could get new ones

    They didn’t have to worry about explaining infidelity because if they got raped by their masters It was well known they couldn’t refuse so didn’t have to lie to husband about where they were.

    Didn’t have to pay taxes since they weren’t paid anything for their labor so no family fights about money.

    They didn’t have to worry about raising their children since often the children were sold off to other masters.

    They didn’t have to worry about teaching their children to read since it was against the law to teach slaves to read.

    Very little domestic violence, they had a guy called an overseer to do all the violence for them.

    Heck they even had the benefit of not having to worry about buying Mothers Day and Fathers Day cards since getting sold off to a new owner meant they weren’t in touch with the parents anymore.

    You actually have a really strong point! They should be on their hands and knees thanking us for bringing them here those 4 centuries ago!!!!
    Typical liberal response. I never defended slavery. I just compared the stats from slavery timeperiod, to the time when liberalism was unleashed on blacks.

    As bad as slavery was, you could make the argument liberalism is worse, and many black conservatives have made this point.

    If you want to learn more about slavery in America, I encourage you to read some books by Thomas Sowell, a black conservative who grew up in Harlem in the 40 and 50s and went to Harvard before affirmative action programs were implemented.

    And, yes, you do appear very naive. It looks like you believe anything the liberal press and our public schools have taught you and you never do any research on your own to see if what you’re being told is correct. It appears you’ve been radicalizing by the left.

    Look, slavery was an awful awful institution that nobody can defend. But I see liberalism the same way. Do you think it’s humane to warehouse blacks in projects in the inner city, with no families, no jobs and no hope? This is liberalism. I’m surprised you are for this.
    Last edited by Bob21; 06-09-2020 at 03:18 AM.

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