Originally Posted by
mickeycrimm
Originally Posted by
redietz
I am surprised at how many people are confused as to what science is and how it works. It should be no surprise, if you know how science works, that President Trump is at war with it.
First of all, as a side note, the idea that Dr. Fauci's history or personal opinion has much of anything to do with HCQ being shut down as a treatment is just completely off the mark, which should be obvious. Nobody's opinion has much to do with a drug failing a double blind trial. Science is not fascist regime.
Science starts from the base point that whatever it has to say is, to some degree, wrong. Science is a self-correcting method. It starts to some degree wrong, knows it is to some degree wrong, and then seeks to correct it with further information. Double blind studies are designed to take bias, even unconscious bias, out of the equation. They are designed to be apolitical.
When was the last time you heard the president say he was very wrong or wrong at all? And this is true of almost all politicians on most subjects. In our culture, it has become a weakness to admit having been consistently wrong about something for a long period of time. The president is going to inherently be at odds with a system that self corrects because, let's face it, he never self corrects.
And boy, I almost never use the word "never," but with the Trumnpster as Prez, I do not know when he has self corrected.
A system designed to define reality is at odds with a system designed to generate a particular result. That, by the way, is why I have a hard time with lawyers as politicians, also. Lawyers are hired to generate results, not arrive at the most accurate rendition of a historical event.
This is why I find it surprising that some knowledgeable gamblers here have jumped whole hog on the Trumpster bandwagon. Probability is a representation of reality, both historical and to come. The Trumpster has, with regards to Covid-19, tried to shut down in-house forecasts from his team, as I noted in my blog entry on the subject. I would have thought most knowledgeable gamblers would be rooting for accurate forecasts, which is what I have given you over the last six months, as opposed to the completely inaccurate forecasts of the president and his son.
Science is self correcting. The president is not.
You dishonestly attribute much of what Fauci and Birx have advised as Trump's advice. Your ideology of marxism at any cost exposes you as morally bankrupt. You keep arguing bullshit trying to make it sound legitimate.
Example of blindly following the scientists:
They first told us not to wear masks as they wouldn't help.
Then months later they told us to wear masks because they would help.
Which of their statements is true, wear a mask or not wear a mask? At least one of the above statements was a lie. AND IT'S A MAJOR EXAMPLE THAT THE SCIENTISTS WILL LIE WHEN IT BEHOOVES THEM.
So, Comrade Dietz, blindly follow the lying bastards if you wish. But don't harrass the rest of us for knowing those assholes will lie whenever the feel like it.
While calling Trump a liar you totally ignore the thousands of malicious lies told by your side of the political spectrum. Again, morally inexcusable.
I'm not sure that you understood Red's post. He's not claiming that scientists are always right, but he is asserting that their positions will change if more facts become available.
When Covid started there was a shortage of masks. I know that you know this. Masks were prioritized for first responders and the medical profession. Elective procedures were postponed partially to allow for time to stock up on protective supplies. Once again, I'm not breaking any news here. It was obvious that an infected person wearing a mask would be safer than one without, but it was also obvious that it was even safer for that infected person to quarantine rather than walking around with a mask. Hence a no mask recommendation.
Evidence of asymptomatic transmission changed all that. Once it was recognized that people were spreading the virus without experiencing any symptoms, universal mask wearing became the recommendation. This does not mean that the scientists were lying at first, it just means that they were wrong. With the flu, it is overwhelmingly symptomatic spreaders. This turned out to be different. They self corrected with the new information. Once again, I think that you already know this.
Red's point was that science is guided by information, but Trump is not. When Trump first announced the masking guidelines, he let us know that he wasn't going to follow them and that we didn't have to either. In the trade we call that a mixed message. He and Pence made a point of not wearing masks, even in locations were they were required. Trump continues to make fun of people wearing masks. His events continue to be be largely maskless.
I wear a mask. You report the same. I do this because mask wearing reduces transmission. If I wanted Trump reelected, I'd be encouraging people to wear masks. I want Alaskan businesses to stay open and am encouraging people to wear masks. Certainly, if my reelection prospects were affected by schools and businesses being open, I'd encourage people to wear masks. If I were a Governor wanting my businesses and schools to open or remain open , I'd by mandating masks.
But that's just me. Obviously there are a lot of folks around with a different approach.