That's not very easy Alan. The best way would be to play some sessions with he/them witnessing, but already you'veseen how a reasonable number of them wouldn't satisfy anyone. It's also a tough one because I only use a $5k gambling bankroll these days, and I don't think my wife would be happy with me doing that just to make a nobody like arci eat crow. So it's probably that family comes first, my career is over, and let the people decide. I tried multiple times to set up a playing bet with the one with the Wizzard coming my closest to reality. But again, they couldn't deal with how often I should win according to their "theories".