Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

But that doesn't make any sense. Why would they set a game up so that a knowledgeable player can beat the game but have a "nerfed" version sitting at the ready to pounce on "that same unwary player." What would they think they are accomplishing?

If a knowledgeable player has the ability to tell a new game can be beaten he has the ability to tell that a new tighter version has been introduced and quit playing or tighten up.

I don't think the game designer is thinking "I'm going to set this game up where the hustlers make a bunch of money then I'm going to change the configuration and bushwhack them so they lose money." The hustlers are going to figure it out. If they could figure out the first version they can figure out the second version. They are not going to dump a bunch of money.

If you see a hustler continue to dump money on a "nerfed" game then I take exception to anyone calling that person a hustler in the first place. If they don't have enough sense to quit playing a game they can't beat they are a ploppie, not a hustler.

Take a game like Harley-Davidson which is a revenue shared game that has a payback in the 87% range. The house is making about 13% on the action. The ploppies are losing bigtime on the game, but a few hustlers that will only play when they find high numbers, and that occurs only a very small percentage of the time. So the house is making good money on the game. Why would they change anything because of a few knowledgeable players that play the game sparingly? It doesn't make sense to change anything on a game holding 13%. If they cut the payback the ploppies will lose even more money. The one thing ploppies do notice is how fast their money is disappearing and will quit playing the game. So nobody is playing the game anymore.

If they "nerf" a game it's after they see what's going on, not before. That means they have to reconfigure the game on a new chip.
My only point is that I seriously seriously doubt they swap out a chip anymore on these newer computers (slot machines). Tech has just went a different direction. Now if we're talking about a videopoker machine that'd be different but all these bonus machines that are modern etc. It is far more likely they are either updated remotely over the network or via a USB flash drive. It is a minor point in the scheme of things.

I'm not saying they can and will change it on players, only the mechanism that which they do it with is unlikely a physical chip that is swapped out. I mean it is possible due to some archaic gaming regulations.. I wouldn't know.

As far as mr AP knowing what he is talking about in regarding to the nerfs - I also have 0 clue on that but am happy to see both MC and mr AP argue it out. MC has a proven background. APs posts are good too, I just am not sure if I can believe it. He uses a lot of terminology and hocus pocus when he talks, but he also says some very interesting stuff.
Gaming regulations have to be overcome. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think you can change the configuration of a chip while it is in the machine. All games and configurtions have to be approved by gaming. They run tests on the chips to insure payback and randomess. The chips have to be delivered to Gaming for these tests before they can be placed in a machine.
I agree gaming regulations have to be overcome but that and existing machines is the only reason they'd swap out chips. There are things like signatures produced from cryptography and things that can be verified to ensure the version of the code on the machine is the same one as one that has been approved. People have "Flashed" motherboards for 10-20 years now. Used to use a floppy disk, now it is always a usb drive. The extra hardware to read a chip and such is pretty old tech. I'd be very very surprised if IGT machines etc use EEPROM chips or whatever anymore.

I have no first hand knowledge, I just know computers (used to know a lot at least) and I'm pretty sure slot machines are fairly standard computers these day and not particularly special hardware. Gaming commissions also vary a ton but I'd imagine most upgrades are done with a usb stick being plugged into the machine/pc and it being put in some update mode. It then downloads the code and reflashes the program. Restart and there is your change.

I think if I was a really dedicated machine AP I might investigate becoming a slot tech for awhile. Probably too difficult.