Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!
Why would you want to make a bet then trick the casino into believing you didn't make a bet?

If you are making coin-in but covering up coin-out by pulling the card then you must be in a spot where freeplay is issued according to losses rather than wager and theoretical house advantage.

And I still have a problem with you saying you have employee's. I don't think you do in the classical sense. And I don't understand why someone would work for somebody else when they could do the same thing themselves.