Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
Originally Posted by dannyj View Post

The thing that surprises me the most is how fast the country has gone left.
Most republicans today are to the left of where most 20th century democrats were.
Another generation has grown up with the expectation that government will hand them things.
Ten years ago Obamacare was loathed by the majority, as evidenced by the landslide victories in the house by republicans in 2010. They gained 63 seats, the most in 60 years. Today Obamacare is so ingrained it's just the next stepping stone for socialized medicine. What they wanted all along.



“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler


I think we're in the selfishness to apathy stage, perhaps closer to dependence, which only leaves bondage left.
Deficit spending really started to ramp up under Reagan. Utilizing government services indirectly without the populace paying for them is no different ethically than what you talk about. I doubt you complain about that though.

I do tend to agree about welfare to some degree because it incentives poor life choices. That is not the same as quasi-socialized medicine which doesn't. If you think full free-market is best approach to healthcare you've drank too much koolaid.
In socialized European medicine you get written off for healthcare according to your age. To old to bad. You don't get it. If you think death panels are the best approach to healthcare you've drank to much koolaid.

The rich and famous Europeans always have major medical operations done in the United States. Sure, they talk shit about the benefits of socialized medicine but when their life is on the line they all say fuck socialized medicine and come here.
Funny I know some European immigrants who are close friends. Their daughter got a full ride to a really well known school. They're both staunch Republicans who complain about taxes. They're also for socialized medicine. (I don't know specifics of what they believe)

Also there is nothing that says private healthcare options need to be removed. The private sector doesn't have to be removed. "death panels". Repeating talking points as usual.

So could you name some of these "rich and famous europeans" by any chance?

TBH no clue what you mean about death panels. There are already times when people get refused procedures etc because of expense. Lots of non-profit hospitals out there. You think they do everything for everyone?

Wise up.